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[Slidemaster]

Confirmed now. 2nd place in ROY.

[DuffMan]

2 writers didn't even have him on their ROY ballot because????

[TwentyThirtyFive]

2 writers didn't even have him on their ROY ballot because????

Think I saw that some declined to vote because of the impact the first two places has on service time. I could be wrong but I thought I saw that recently

[Mackus]

Think I saw that some declined to vote because of the impact the first two places has on service time. I could be wrong but I thought I saw that recently

 

Wow, if true, what a horrible reason to abstain.  Should lose their credentials.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Heard the rookie of the year announcements on the radio this morning. No mention of second place. Just like there never is. But we lose a year of Adley. Cool.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Wow, if true, what a horrible reason to abstain.  Should lose their credentials.

A first- or second-place finish for Rutschman would give him a full year of service time under the new collective bargaining agreement. That’s a year closer to arbitration and free agency. And it’s why some writers were uncomfortable with the ballot or declined to vote.

 

 

 

From the MASN article Stoner linked a page back

[makoman]

Wow, if true, what a horrible reason to abstain.  Should lose their credentials.

I agree, if they don't like it they should give up their vote. Their job is to vote for ROY without regard to the other stuff, which is collectively bargained and not the concern of the writers. If everyone did that sure it'd be great for the O's, but they could have cost Adley a lot of money for no real reason. But it's not surprising, given that there always seem to be some weird protest HOF votes.

[Mike B]

I expected Adley to finish second.  Trying to be unbiased, I would have voted for Rodriquez too.  I dislike the new rule, costing the Orioles a year of service time.  Too bad, Adley did not finish 3rd.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I think the idea of the new rule is to give teams incentive not to play the service time game, and just bring up their best prospects at the beginning of the season.  The O's might have had Adley on the OD roster, but his injury messed things up.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Explanation from the guy who voted for Adley.

 

Ben Nicholson-Smith on Twitter: "Congrats to Julio Rodriguez on winning AL Rookie of the Year. A deserving choice. As the only BBWAA voter who put Adley Rutschman ahead of Rodriguez, I want to offer my thought process to Mariners fans, Orioles fans & any others interested in the process." / Twitter

[Slidemaster]

They can avoid the loss of service time by extending him.

[Mike in STL]

They can avoid the loss of service time by extending him.

Bingo

[makoman]

They can avoid the loss of service time by extending him.

I agree, but it affects the cost of the extension, because the price in $ and years at 1.000 service time is surely different than the price at 0.140 service time or whatever. As much as I hate to say it, if the cost is higher it's probably less likely the O's do it.

[Mackus]

Bigger factor than cost is that Rutschman is closer to FA so he's inherently less likely to sign. Its only a years difference, but that's not trivial. There is less risk on his end going year-to-year for 5 years before a big maximum payday than there is doing so for 6, and it's also hitting FA at a younger age which increases his earnings potential.

I think we can still extend him, but the price to do so is a lot higher now with a full year's service.

[BaltBird 24]

When's the last time the Orioles gave a big extension to a home grown talent? Markakis and his 6 year, $66 million deal in 09? Roberts got a 4 year, $40 million deal in 09 as well.

O's are never ahead of the curve in extending their own young talent.

[Mackus]

When's the last time the Orioles gave a big extension to a home grown talent? Markakis and his 6 year, $66 million deal in 09? Roberts got a 4 year, $40 million deal in 09 as well.

O's are never ahead of the curve in extending their own young talent.

Jones got one as well. I think he's the last guy.

[makoman]

Jones has to count for this exercise, since he was acquired with under a year service time.

[Nigel Tufnel]

The O's have never done an early extension for anyone, as far as I can remember.  Markakis got his extension after 3 years.  They should have done one for Manny, but that's water under the bridge, I guess.

 

For a while, though, they were really good at extending their own players once they were close to free agency.  At that point, I don't think homegrown really has anything to do with it.  Besides Jones, Markakis and Roberts, they also extended guys like O'Day, Hardy (twice), and Trumbo.  I guess Davis wasn't really an extension, since he had hit free agency, but they spent big money there.  They gave Wieters a QO, etc.

 

They basically need to sign Adley to an extension or catch him 140+ games a year.  They should make a big push for Gunnar, too.

[Mackus]

O'Day, Trumbo, and Davis had all reached the open market and were resigned. Small distinction from an extension. Hardy's second deal was after the playoffs began so really was absolutely last minute before him also hitting the market

[Mackus]

Doesn't make it impossible, but Gunnar is a Boras client. An extension is very unlikely. Don't hurt to ask, though.