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[makoman]

Lots of good numbers in here.

https://www.mlb.com/...-around-catcher

[Mackus]

Rutschman is a stud at every facet of the game.


I'm gonna pivot to general discussion on pitch framing. I still don't really think I like how its applied. At least now I'm seeing tracking stats like "how many strikes on borderline pitches" and comparing that to league average. But 100% of the credit for the ball or strike going to the catcher seems like the major flaw in the analysis. How about the umpire? The pitcher? The hitter? The count? The time of day? The backdrop? I think there are so many more variables here than a lot of other stats that all matter.

And this is a lesser critique, but when I see the pitch framing stat rates converted to something like runs, its because they apply a value to each pitch earned or lost. + something for gettinga strike, - something for getting a ball (perhaps weighted in terms of how often the exact location is called a strike/ball). No influence for count. I get that to an extent, we don't give extra credit in wRC+ for whether a double occurred with a man on base or not, so why give extra credit for an 0-2 pitch that is gained versus a 1-0 pitch. On the other hand, if we're gauging the value of framing and not the amount of skill, then you gotta weigh the count.

All of this is probably moot as soon as Robo Umps take over anyways. Then my windmill tilting against pitch framing can finally die.

[makoman]

Yeah, framing is one of those things I just throw my hands up and admit I have no clue about how much it's worth. It could be anywhere between marginal importance or the most important thing to the pitching staff. Likely moot at some point though, true.

[You Play to Win the Game]

He's amazing, and a joy to watch.

 

My prediction is he isn't an Oriole by as early as 2027. 

[Mike B]

He's amazing, and a joy to watch.

 

My prediction is he isn't an Oriole by as early as 2027. 

We have enough problems in the now, then to worry about that far in advance but if they were smart they would buy up his first couple of years of free agency.  

[BSLBobPhelan]

I truly think he will be extended, the sooner the better.

[Mike B]

I truly think he will be extended, the sooner the better.

I hope so.  Failure to do so, cost them more money in the long run, or worse yet, they lost the new face of the franchise

[You Play to Win the Game]

I hope so.  Failure to do so, cost them more money in the long run, or worse yet, they lost the new face of the franchise

Elias is the face of the franchise.

[Mike B]

Elias is the face of the franchise.

Not to me.  But I am in the minority.  

If he pays us back for the punted baseball seasons then he can put his face wherever he wants. 

[You Play to Win the Game]

Not to me.  But I am in the minority.  

If he pays us back for the punted baseball seasons then he can put his face wherever he wants. 

It's World Series or bust for me at this point. That's the only way all this crap was worth it. But anyway, enough is enough, don't need another thread to be come about all that.

 

Adley Rutschman is the tits. 

[Pedro Cerrano]

He’s the bees knees

[makoman]

Nathan Ruiz
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Since July 6 — so the past month — the only qualified major leaguer with a higher on-base percentage than Adley Rutschman is Juan Soto.
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[hallas]

Rutschman is a stud at every facet of the game.
I'm gonna pivot to general discussion on pitch framing. I still don't really think I like how its applied. At least now I'm seeing tracking stats like "how many strikes on borderline pitches" and comparing that to league average. But 100% of the credit for the ball or strike going to the catcher seems like the major flaw in the analysis. How about the umpire? The pitcher? The hitter? The count? The time of day? The backdrop? I think there are so many more variables here than a lot of other stats that all matter.
And this is a lesser critique, but when I see the pitch framing stat rates converted to something like runs, its because they apply a value to each pitch earned or lost. + something for gettinga strike, - something for getting a ball (perhaps weighted in terms of how often the exact location is called a strike/ball). No influence for count. I get that to an extent, we don't give extra credit in wRC+ for whether a double occurred with a man on base or not, so why give extra credit for an 0-2 pitch that is gained versus a 1-0 pitch. On the other hand, if we're gauging the value of framing and not the amount of skill, then you gotta weigh the count.
All of this is probably moot as soon as Robo Umps take over anyways. Then my windmill tilting against pitch framing can finally die.

I basically agree with this. I also hate using statistical analysis to determine the run value of baseball's equivalent of leaning into a defender for 3 foul shots.

Even without robo-umps, in theory as umpires receive feedback on their ball/strike calls, the number of missed calls should decrease over time unless catchers find new ways to trick umps.

[CantonJester]

I mean, it’s a good problem to have, but one of the issues with having an elite, hitting catcher is you really want to have a 3rd catcher on the roster (or one who can assume that duty so that you retain the use of a DH and lineup flexibility). 

 

Just how good has Rutschman been this year? 

 

As of this morning, players with at least 100 balls in play, 80% contact%, 40% hard-hit%, and OPS of .800+:

 

• Freddie Freeman

• Juan Soto

• Mookie Betts

• Alejandro Kirk

• Will Smith

• Josh Naylor

• DJ LeMahieu

• Adley Rutschman

• Gavin Lux

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I mean, it’s a good problem to have, but one of the issues with having an elite, hitting catcher is you really want to have a 3rd catcher on the roster (or one who can assume that duty so that you retain the use of a DH and lineup flexibility). 

 

Just how good has Rutschman been this year? 

 

As of this morning, players with at least 100 balls in play, 80% contact%, 40% hard-hit%, and OPS of .800+:

 

• Freddie Freeman

• Juan Soto

• Mookie Betts

• Alejandro Kirk

• Will Smith

• Josh Naylor

• DJ LeMahieu

• Adley Rutschman

• Gavin Lux

Damn. 3 catchers

[TwentyThirtyFive]

2.6 fWAR already. Ced is next at 2.1 Mateo at 2.0

[Nigel Tufnel]

So after all that, it seems like Adley is very, very likely to finish in the top 2 of ROY voting and get the full year of service anyway.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

So after all that, it seems like Adley is very, very likely to finish in the top 2 of ROY voting and get the full year of service anyway.

Yup. I think he was going to start the year up here. Kind of a shame. Have to think we would be better positioned to make the playoffs and now we dont get compensation either. Overall though the team health has been good.

[DuffMan]

So after all that, it seems like Adley is very, very likely to finish in the top 2 of ROY voting and get the full year of service anyway.

Rodriguez is still the favorite according to Fan Duel but Rutchman is the clear cut #2.

 

Doubt it happens, but I would love to see the club extend him this offseason.

[CantonJester]

He’s already surpassed Julio Rodriguez in fWAR despite playing 32 less games. 

 

https://twitter.com/...KX7CK43XdPP9fJg

 

Adley Rutschman is now beating Julio Rodriguez in fWAR (despite playing 32 less games) and OPS. 

 

He is already the best catcher in baseball. 

 

This is your AL ROY.