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#81 NewMarketSean

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:44 AM

Why not?

Because it's the Hall of Great not the Hall of Good.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:56 AM

Because it's the Hall of Great not the Hall of Good.


He was a lot better than good.

And it’s really not the hall of great either.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:57 AM

He was a lot better than good.

And it’s really not the hall of great either.

 

He never lead the league in any major category.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:18 AM

I think Greg's article to start this thread made the excellent case.


But beyond that, he was pitching in the AL East in the prime of the steroid era.
His already excellent numbers look different if he spends his career in the NL.



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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:26 AM

I think Greg's article to start this thread made the excellent case.


But beyond that, he was pitching in the AL East in the prime of the steroid era.
His already excellent numbers look different if he spends his career in the NL.

Good point.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:43 PM

He never lead the league in any major category.


What's a major category? He led the AL in wins in 1995. He led the AL in pitching WAR in 2001.

He finished second in ERA in 2001, .1 runs behind the leader. If he finished .11 runs better and finished first, would that make him a Hall of Famer?
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:46 PM

I think Greg's article to start this thread made the excellent case.


But beyond that, he was pitching in the AL East in the prime of the steroid era.
His already excellent numbers look different if he spends his career in the NL.


Right. His career adjusted ERA is 123, tied with Juan Marichal, and ahead of Bob Feller (122) and Warren Spahn (119).
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:20 PM

Hes a clear cut HOFer when compared to where the bar has been set by whos already in. Now, if people want to say he doesnt feel like HOFer I get that. I feel that way about others at times. My gut tells me they arent HOFers.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 05:51 PM

FanGraphs: JAWS and the 2019 Hall of Fame Ballot: Mike Mussina



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:28 PM

MASN: Mike Mussina is potentially closing in on a call to the Hall

http://www.masnsport...o-the-hall.html



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 02:24 PM

He is gonna be so damn close.

 

Remember the year when Blyleven ended up at 74.2%? If Mussina misses it's probably going to be even closer than that.


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Posted 20 January 2019 - 03:03 PM

He is gonna be so damn close.

 

Remember the year when Blyleven ended up at 74.2%? If Mussina misses it's probably going to be even closer than that.

I'm guessing 73%..

 

But I really hope I'm wrong. 

 

Genuinely anxious  about this. 


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Posted 20 January 2019 - 04:11 PM

Moose and others shouldn’t be in the HOF because of Baines? Wtf?

https://apps.bostong...eball-hof-2019/

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 06:13 PM

Moose and others shouldn’t be in the HOF because of Baines? Wtf?

https://apps.bostong...eball-hof-2019/

 

Shaughnessy gonna Shaughnessy. HE'S someone who should have his vote revoked.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 12:00 PM

Shaughnessy gonna Shaughnessy. HE'S someone who should have his vote revoked.

 

Some of these clowns certainly have an inflated sense of importance.



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Posted 21 January 2019 - 12:23 PM

I can't completely dismiss the people who treat their votes not so much as a list of the (up to) 10 most eligible but rather as the game theory exercise that it is for them to try to make sure that as many deserving Hall of Famers (in their estimation) do in fact get in.

 

Withholding a vote from a guy like Vlad Guerrero who you know will get in even if you don't vote for him so that you can give a vote to someone like Johnny Damon in hopes of keeping him on a future ballot shouldn't necessarily be viewed as the opinion that Damon was better or more deserving than Guerrero.  If a guy is gonna play around with his votes like that, though, he damn well better be voting for the maximum allowed number of players.



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Posted 21 January 2019 - 12:26 PM

I can't completely dismiss the people who treat their votes not so much as a list of the (up to) 10 most eligible but rather as the game theory exercise that it is for them to try to make sure that as many deserving Hall of Famers (in their estimation) do in fact get in.

 

Withholding a vote from a guy like Vlad Guerrero who you know will get in even if you don't vote for him so that you can give a vote to someone like Johnny Damon in hopes of keeping him on a future ballot shouldn't necessarily be viewed as the opinion that Damon was better or more deserving than Guerrero.  If a guy is gonna play around with his votes like that, though, he damn well better be voting for the maximum allowed number of players.

Some dipshit over at ESPN basically said that she isn't voting for Mussina because she thinks Halladay was better.  She voted for 8 players.  I mean, wtf is that?  The logic is where so many of these people lose out.

 

Saw one ballot that had Kent and Vizquel but no Moose (or Bonds, Clemens).

 

You really think those guys are worthy of the HOF but Mussina isn't?  And he only voted for like 4 or 5 players.  

 

I mean, how can anyone respect that person as a baseball writer with that type of ballot?  It just tells me you don't know the game.


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#98 Mike B

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:21 PM

Some dipshit over at ESPN basically said that she isn't voting for Mussina because she thinks Halladay was better.  She voted for 8 players.  I mean, wtf is that?  The logic is where so many of these people lose out.

 

Saw one ballot that had Kent and Vizquel but no Moose (or Bonds, Clemens).

 

You really think those guys are worthy of the HOF but Mussina isn't?  And he only voted for like 4 or 5 players.  

 

I mean, how can anyone respect that person as a baseball writer with that type of ballot?  It just tells me you don't know the game.

Frankly, voting for Jeff Kent and Vizquel over Mussina, shows a lack of knowledge.

Some of the current voters, are not qualified.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 03:04 PM

Odds that he goes in as an O rather than a Yankee, if he gets in?

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 03:12 PM

Odds that he goes in as an O rather than a Yankee, if he gets in?

Doesn't MLB decide based on length of service?

 

If so, Moose spent more time in an Oriole uniform then the Yankees.

 

I thought MLB, changed the process, when Wade Boggs sold his allegiance to Tanpa.


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