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#61 SportsGuy

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:02 PM

That's like saying, "Well, yeah, the 2006 Cardinals DID win the World Series, but they weren't really that good a team and were under .500 the following season." It doesn't matter because they won.

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No, it's nothing like that. St Louis was able to survive the marathon and play well in a small sample. The Orioles will not be able to survive the marathon.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:10 PM

No, it's nothing like that. St Louis was able to survive the marathon and play well in a small sample. The Orioles will not be able to survive the marathon.


Depends on what else we do.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:15 PM

Depends on what else we do.

Not really anything they can do.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:18 PM

No, it's nothing like that. St Louis was able to survive the marathon and play well in a small sample. The Orioles will not be able to survive the marathon.


That's your opinion, and it may be correct. We won't know until the marathon is over, though, and right now the Kenyans are still behind us at the 13-mile marker.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:20 PM

Not really anything they can do.


Garza, Hamels and Greinke are all still out there.

I think the O's may acquire Garza.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:22 PM

Garza is a league average starter. Not a bad guy to get but he isn't putting us over the top.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:23 PM

Is this team really in playoff contention though?

I mean, by the numbers right now we are but how much does that mean?



We are until we're not.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:25 PM

That's your opinion, and it may be correct. We won't know until the marathon is over, though, and right now the Kenyans are still behind us at the 13-mile marker.

The Kenyans are the Yankees and thy are 5 up on us.

We have a one game lead on Boston and TB right now. They both have AS players coming back, more MiL depth and a more talented roster....adding Jim Thome does nothing to change the facts.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:29 PM

The Kenyans are the Yankees and thy are 5 up on us.


It's fortunate that five teams make the playoffs then ;)

We have a one game lead on Boston and TB right now. They both have AS players coming back, more MiL depth and a more talented roster....adding Jim Thome does nothing to change the facts.


Incorrect. Thome does nothing to change the facts on THEIR end. Thome changes the facts on OUR end.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:29 PM

We are until we're not.


It ain't over 'til its over.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:30 PM

My thoughts on the deal is that it doesn't make sense to me on multiple levels but it's not likely be of consequence anyhow. First of all, it's Jim Thome, and everyone loves Jim Thome, and it's freakin awesome when Jim Thome hits home runs. It really is. JIM JAM. All of y'all will be pumped up the first time JIM JAM HITS A CRACKER JACK.

However, on the big league level, this means we now have four 1B/DH types and three of them will have to play the field on most days. The Orioles' crap defense gets crappier. The other thing is about giving up Lino. Is Gabriel Lino going to amount to anything? He very likely is not. But this is the third time that Duquette has given up an A-ball prospect for a bench guy. Henry for Teagarden, Martin for Eveland, Lino for Thome. I don't like this philosophy. Do this often enough, and you WILL get burned somewhere along the line. Also, wonder what Henry, Martin and Lino could've gotten in a package together? Very likely far more of a difference-maker than any of the guys they got back.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:31 PM

My thoughts on the deal is that it doesn't make sense to me on multiple levels but it's not likely be of consequence anyhow. First of all, it's Jim Thome, and everyone loves Jim Thome, and it's freakin awesome when Jim Thome hits home runs. It really is. JIM JAM. All of y'all will be pumped up the first time JIM JAM HITS A CRACKER JACK.

However, on the big league level, this means we now have four 1B/DH types and three of them will have to play the field on most days. The Orioles' crap defense gets crappier. The other thing is about giving up Lino. Is Gabriel Lino going to amount to anything? He very likely is not. But this is the third time that Duquette has given up an A-ball prospect for a bench guy. Henry for Teagarden, Martin for Eveland, Lino for Thome. I don't like this philosophy. Do this often enough, and you WILL get burned somewhere along the line. Also, wonder what Henry, Martin and Lino could've gotten in a package together? Very likely far more of a difference-maker than any of the guys they got back.


You think Thome's a bench guy?

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:32 PM

It's fortunate that five teams make the playoffs then ;)



Incorrect. Thome does nothing to change the facts on THEIR end. Thome changes the facts on OUR end.

Again, this is wrong in the context I was making. He does nothing to impact the tremendous talent difference, depth, etc.....

He may not even help us much at all if this beans Reynolds or Davis miss a lot of at bats now.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:47 PM

Again, this is wrong in the context I was making. He does nothing to impact the tremendous talent difference, depth, etc.....

He may not even help us much at all if this beans Reynolds or Davis miss a lot of at bats now.


But Reynolds isn't showing why he SHOULDN'T be missing a lot of at bats right now. Thome gives one less spot for the Betemit-Davis-Reynolds trio. In order to get playing time, they are going to have to earn it. These guys aren't prospects, they are veteran players at a point where they have to perform or sit. Davis is earning his PT, along with Betemit. If Reynolds can't do the same, then tough.

So he pushes someone to the bench, and someone else to Norfolk. That increases the depth some, at least more than we have right now. He also adds a better bat into the lineup, which lessens the talent difference.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:51 PM

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:56 PM

But Reynolds isn't showing why he SHOULDN'T be missing a lot of at bats right now. Thome gives one less spot for the Betemit-Davis-Reynolds trio. In order to get playing time, they are going to have to earn it. These guys aren't prospects, they are veteran players at a point where they have to perform or sit. Davis is earning his PT, along with Betemit. If Reynolds can't do the same, then tough.

So he pushes someone to the bench, and someone else to Norfolk. That increases the depth some, at least more than we have right now. He also adds a better bat into the lineup, which lessens the talent difference.

Nothing at AAA means anything.

Reynolds still has a decent OBP, especially on his team. Taking that out isn't going to help us, a team already terrible in OBP.

And if you think Thome really lessens the talent gap, you just aren't understanding things.

This team needs LEGIT difference making talent to contend with the big boys. Thome isn't that guy..not by a long shot.

And if he takes out a bat that is similar to his own, what does that do for us?

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 09:40 PM

Nothing at AAA means anything.

Reynolds still has a decent OBP, especially on his team. Taking that out isn't going to help us, a team already terrible in OBP.

And if you think Thome really lessens the talent gap, you just aren't understanding things.

This team needs LEGIT difference making talent to contend with the big boys. Thome isn't that guy..not by a long shot.

And if he takes out a bat that is similar to his own, what does that do for us?


Maybe Buck plays Reynolds at 3rd again. Or he plays Betemit there. If he does that then the odd one out is Flaherty/Avery/Nick Johnson, not Reynolds. Nick didn't even do much before, and his wrists are made of glass, so you can't just assume he'll bounce back from injury. If he's healthy then we DFA him.

1B Reynolds/Betemit
3B the other one
LF Davis

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:30 PM

Maybe Buck plays Reynolds at 3rd again. Or he plays Betemit there. If he does that then the odd one out is Flaherty/Avery/Nick Johnson, not Reynolds. Nick didn't even do much before, and his wrists are made of glass, so you can't just assume he'll bounce back from injury. If he's healthy then we DFA him.

1B Reynolds/Betemit
3B the other one
LF Davis

Right...of course, now the defense really blows.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:57 PM

He better hit a *whole lot* of homers or else this is gonna look pretty dumb...

On a more positive note, at least Thome admits he can't field...

Since we're adding to our already ample collection of non-fielders, I'm guessing DD doesn't think very much of corner-D...

EDIT: I forget... what number does he like to wear?

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:02 PM

He better hit a *whole lot* of homers or else this is gonna look pretty dumb...

On a more positive note, at least Thome admits he can't field...

Since we're adding to our already ample collection of non-fielders, I'm guessing DD doesn't think very much of corner-D...

EDIT: I forget... what number does he like to wear?

He wears #25.




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