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[mweb08]

Not that it matters, but Sheffield was the scarier of the two... I bet he had more pitchers worried about a line drive hitting them right in the face...

Sheffield is either going to be this generation's Jim Rice or Dick Allen in regards to the voting. Either the memory of his attitude will fade over time and the memory of his "fearedness" will get stronger, or the writers and later committees will simply hold a grudge and tell him to pound sand every time his name comes up.

He probably won't even get 5%. That's still a requirement right? He also has the PED issue.

[DJ MC]

The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo

 

Out of 105 publicly released ballots (by last year's total, 18.4% of the ballots)

 

99.0 - R. Johnson 
98.1 - P. Martinez
89.5 - Smoltz
83.8 - Biggio
79.0 - Piazza
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72.4 - Bagwell
63.8 - Raines
59.0 - Schilling
44.8 - Bonds
43.8 - Clemens
42.9 - Mussina
27.6 - E. Martinez
22.9 - Trammell
16.2 - McGriff
15.2 - Lee Smith
14.3 - Kent
  9.5 - L. Walker
  6.7 - Sheffield
  5.7 - McGwire
  5.7 - Sosa
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  1.9 - Mattingly
  1.0 - Garciaparra
  1.0 - Delgado
  1.0 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In)

[DJ MC]

He probably won't even get 5%. That's still a requirement right? He also has the PED issue.

 

Very true. I think he hangs around, but with the crowded ballot that will be tough. Hopefully a bunch get in this year and make it a little easier. Next year is Griffey, Hoffmann and Edmonds (and David Eckstein and Gary Matthews Jr!).

[mweb08]

That's good. It was less than 5 when I last checked. I would guess that he'd get less support from the non public votes, though.

[mweb08]

I've talked myself into Sheffield for the HOF. He's not one of the best 10 candidates, but I think he is worthy. Basically, if one thinks Edgar is worthy, I believe they should also think Sheff is worthy.

[DJ MC]

Sweetspot: Schilling, Mussina better than Smoltz

 

OK. Can you tell the difference between these pitchers? 

Pitcher A: 270-153, 3.68 ERA, 3,562.2 IP, 2,813 SO 
Pitcher B: 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 3,261 IP, 3,116 SO 
Pitcher C: 194-126, 3.46 ERA, 2,892.2 IP, 2,668 SO 
Pitcher D: 213-155, 3.33 ERA, 3,473 IP, 3,084 SO 

Pitcher E: 211-144, 3.28 ERA, 3,256.1 IP, 2,397 SO 

[RShack]

Mussina was too quiet, business-like and bland for his own good, fame-wise.... if he had a big mouth, he'd be much more of a shoo-in, regardless of whether people liked or hated what he said...

[Russ]

Mussina was too quiet, business-like and bland for his own good, fame-wise.... if he had a big mouth, he'd be much more of a shoo-in, regardless of whether people liked or hated what he said...

I'm sure that was by design.

[RShack]

I'm sure that was by design.

 

I don't think it was by design... I think it is just Mussina's nature to be the complete opposite of a loud mouth, that's all... he just wants to read a book and not get involved in making a fuss about anything...

[Pedro Cerrano]

Let me just say that this whole "player X shouldn't get in because of his demeanor" is complete nonsense.

[RShack]

Let me just say that this whole "player X shouldn't get in because of his demeanor" is complete nonsense.

 

Who ever said that?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Who ever said that?

I've read lots of stories about guys being kept out or having their entry delayed because they were surly with the media or generally not liked. Rice being the most note worthy that I can think of off the top of my head.

[Russ]

Dick Allen, Kevin Brown.

[RShack]

Oh.

 

Well, I agree it's ridiculous... if that's why it is.   I'm just not sure that's why it is....

[BSLChrisStoner]

The Guardian / Jon Bernhardt: Baseball Hall of Fame: who's in, who's out … and who doesn't have a shout

http://www.theguardi...ame-cooperstown

[DJ MC]

Less than 24 hours: any predictions?

 

"Anger and angst" doesn't count as a prediction, either.

[mweb08]

Pain

[Pedro Cerrano]

Bonds Clemens Biggio Bagwell Pedro, Johnson, Piazza, Mussina, Smoltz, Raines.

I'll vote for Schilling and Edgar next year.

[mweb08]

Bonds Clemens Biggio Bagwell Pedro, Johnson, Piazza, Mussina, Smoltz, Raines.


I'll vote for Schilling and Edgar next year.

Why not Sheffield this or next year?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Why not Sheffield this or next year?

Only get 10 votes.