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[Mackus]

Preface: The A's always are in an odd place.  They certainly could afford to deal with Olson and Chapman, but they each have 2 years service remaining and they likely need to do something.  If they want to churn the roster, be a partner for them.  You burn some prospect capital to do something like this, but you're also putting together something like a 6-7 year Plan.  You put together the bigger package and you want a window to work out an extended contract.  7-year deals for both.  There could be some perception value in superseding the Davis contract.  Andrus also has 14M left on his last year of that contract.  The Rangers are paying them 7+M from the previous trade and you can take the contract and leave the cash as part of the deal.  It's a 21M opportunity for the As.

 

Trade: Olson, Chapman and Andrus for Mountcastle, Henderson, Herniaz and something else

 

 

For context.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

For context.

Rofl. Wait so you dont get Chapman and still have to give up more young talent than dude offered just for Olson. OOTP isnt real life.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

For context.

What thread was it in please.

[dude]

Rofl. Wait so you dont get Chapman and still have to give up more young talent than dude offered just for Olson. OOTP isnt real life.

 

Real life is that the ATL package isn't that exciting.  It's prospect value.  OAK can do what they want.  They don't have anyone offering to take Andrus contract and that would likely be more valuable to the As (real life, not OOTP) than anything else.

 

I wouldn't trade Gunner Henderson and Ryan Mouncastle to the As today for that package.  If they like that package, great, but those aren't amazing prospects....and they were the best the Braves had. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Rofl again. Tex is paying the majority of Andrus contract. Oak is on the line for only 7 mil or so.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Also no Chapman. Crazy isnt it.


I mean you can like the prospects you like but on paper Henderson and Mountcastle dont touch that deal. Pache is a former top 15 prospect. Still top 100. Langlears is top 75 and Cusiak was the #24 pick in the '21 draft who got off to a dominant start in A ball.

[dude]

OOTP isn't real life.

 

What's funny is you don't even understand what you're talking about.  Teams do things (and we see it today) for reasons that have nothing to do with Talent.  

 

The Orioles aren't doing anything and it has nothing to do with whether they can or not, because they could.

The As are doing things for financial reasons.  They don't need to move Olson, they are just choosing to break it up now.  That's realy life, not OOTP.

My brother is a Reds fan and he can't understand why the Reds are doing nothing but tearing down for salary....half of Reds fans are basically saying "if you don't want compete, sell the damn team"...the other half heard the words 'rebuilding' and went out to smoke a cigarette.

The Twins are off the hook right now "Teams can't do stuff like that"...except they are doing it.

You can try to win the Offseason....but look at what the Rangers are doing.

Jeter quit because of things happening in ownership.

Steve Cohen doesn't think the tier4 consequences to total payroll are that bad....and he'll spend part of his 15B assets to do what he wants, because he can.

The Mariners are the craziest team out there and he has to be chomping at the bit, getting shown up by the Twins.

 

Every team is operating on a perspective....that's real life not OOTP 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Whats real life is you have no clue how to properly assess value of any these players.

[dude]

Rofl again. Tex is paying the majority of Andrus contract. Oak is on the line for only 7 mil or so.

 

The Rangers are paying about half the contract.  Andrus is owed 14M this year.

 

What I described about was the Orioles taking Andrus' contract and leaving the 7.25M in OAK. 

They lose the contract and keep the money....that would be significant for them.

 

In fact (I was going to put this in the Infield thread), with Olson traded, now you could probably just get Chapman by taking Andrus contract....now the Orioles won't do it because they aren't trying...but I'd pay attention to someone like the Nationals...

[Mackus]

What I described about was the Orioles taking Andrus' contract and leaving the 7.25M in OAK. 

 

I'm not sure if this is allowed.  The money isn't a lump sum that Oakland received from Texas.  It's just that Texas pays Andrus' salary every two weeks less the minimum.  At least that's how it usually goes.  Maybe there is precedent though.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

The As will trade Chapman,likely without Andrus, because you know its not that important to get rid of that contract and get back a terrific haul for him as well.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Btw MLB trade rumors says Andrus had a no trade clause envoked when he was moved the first time so it sounds like he can veto anyway.

[dude]

Btw MLB trade rumors says Andrus had a no trade clause envoked when he was moved the first time so it sounds like he can veto anyway.

 

Real life, you deal with the actual framework of the contract.  Anything can be done.  Players have to sign off if a contractual issue.  There are easy ways to do this in real life.  If he doesn't want too, fine, forget the deal.

[dude]

The As will trade Chapman,likely without Andrus, because you know its not that important to get rid of that contract and get back a terrific haul for him as well.

 

...and Chapman had a .716 OPS last season is controlled for 2 more seasons and is a Boras client.  I doubt he's in "terrific haul" territory.  This isn't OOTP.  Teams understand where Oakland is in these deals and the further they go down this path, the harder it is to get what you want.  Beane is good and has deep relationships (something the Orioles can't leverage) so he'll do better than most, but he's being driven by an ownership mindset for the current roster. 

 

They don't "need" to do anything from a Baseball perspective, but they are.

[dude]

Whats real life is you have no clue how to properly assess value of any these players.

 

What's real life is you are a troll.  Nobody here is going to call you on it, but whatever.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

...and Chapman had a .716 OPS last season is controlled for 2 more seasons and is a Boras client. I doubt he's in "terrific haul" territory. This isn't OOTP. Teams understand where Oakland is in these deals and the further they go down this path, the harder it is to get what you want. Beane is good and has deep relationships (something the Orioles can't leverage) so he'll do better than most, but he's being driven by an ownership mindset for the current roster.

They don't "need" to do anything from a Baseball perspective, but they are.

Lol. Double down on stupidity. Of course youll call any Chapman deal underwhelming like you did the Olson deal despite the overwhelming consensus being the opposite.

[dude]

Lol. Double down on stupidity. Of course youll call any Chapman deal underwhelming like you did the Olson deal despite the overwhelming consensus being the opposite.

 

Wait...the Reds just traded Jesse Winker (949 OPS last year and 2 years left) for a pretty modest package to get rid of Suarez not horrible deal (3 years left)

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Lol so thats where we are going. Comparing Winker to Chapman or Olson and the 36 mil left on Suarez's contract to the 7 mil left Andrus contract. Give it up already.

[dude]

Lol. Double down on stupidity. Of course youll call any Chapman deal underwhelming like you did the Olson deal despite the overwhelming consensus being the opposite.

 

You aren't following along very well.  

[TwentyThirtyFive]

What's real life is you are a troll. Nobody here is going to call you on it, but whatever.

Speaking of value I do remember someone being called out for having no value to this board recently.


Hint: It wasnt this troll.