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[makoman]

Sure there is a source. No one thinks the writer made it up. Its on the writer, if youre trying to be fair and accurate, to do better. Much better.

I don't see what the writer did wrong and why you think it's so unprofessional. He presented the view of the source, and made clear several times that "the source said this". He reached out to the team to get their point of view, to poke holes in what the source said, they didn't want to comment at all. Apparently several people he knows with the team didn't want to even deny it. Obviously he thought the source was someone trustworthy and in position to know things or he wouldn't have written it at all (I am giving him and Pitcher List the benefit of the doubt that they aren't just some clickbait outfit from past viewings of each). And like anything else, everyone is entitled to not believe a word of it. But really the base stuff seems pretty believable, one can pretty easily strip out the slanted opinions of the source and ignore those.

[Ravens2006]

62.4% chance the source is Jason LaConfora...

Dude's been on a mission since Johnny boy betrayed him and sold the team, and he also lost his brief gig with MASN...

[BSLBenPalmer]

What's up everyone!

 

Obviously I can't give too many details about anything other than what's already in the article. Suffice to say, I trust the source as they are quite well-connected into the Orioles organization (FWIW I've since had others reach out to me saying the general arc of the story matches what they've seen).

 

I understand others are going to be skeptical of the reporting and I totally understand that. For whatever it's worth, neither I nor Pitcher List have ever been especially interested in posting clickbait - that's never been our site philosophy and it never will be.

 

Also, as I'm sure some of you know from some of the comments I've made here in the past, I've always been a pretty vocal "trust Elias" guy, so this isn't exactly the story I wanted to write, but my job isn't to write what fits my own personal biases and narrative. I'm just reporting on what a well-connected, trustworthy source told me.

 

I would love to have this article proven wrong and have the Orioles sign Corbin Burnes tonight and go all in on this team.

[russsnyder]

While I think "vanity project" was a provocative choice of words, I mostly agree. He came in with a plan, that plan may be somewhat different than others (particularly this source) might have done in his position. He's sticking to that plan, even as he has a new boss who has given every indication he's willing to spend more than the old boss. The dodging accountability part I think is BS. I've never got a vibe that he isn't willing to be held accountable for the results.

I agree.

Elias, like any other GM, knows that they are going to be held accountable at some level for the results

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I don't see what the writer did wrong and why you think it's so unprofessional. He presented the view of the source, and made clear several times that "the source said this". He reached out to the team to get their point of view, to poke holes in what the source said, they didn't want to comment at all. Apparently several people he knows with the team didn't want to even deny it. Obviously he thought the source was someone trustworthy and in position to know things or he wouldn't have written it at all (I am giving him and Pitcher List the benefit of the doubt that they aren't just some clickbait outfit from past viewings of each). And like anything else, everyone is entitled to not believe a word of it. But really the base stuff seems pretty believable, one can pretty easily strip out the slanted opinions of the source and ignore those.

Its 100% clickbait. Its fine if this was 2004 and posters were sharing nuggets on OH again. I believe most of those posters werent lying either and were passing along info they heard from a source. But make no mistake thats what this is. Thats what passes for journalism nowadays. Hell, bigbird prob went from posting on a site like OH to writing for a site like pitcherlist

[jamesdean]

I know that's the standard of journalism today where you just quote sources, never say who they are and print it as facts. Must be great to be a writer today. Its like meteorologists can be wrong every day and never have to worry about losing their jobs.

[hallas]

2023 deadline was bad. That team had everything going for it and all we ended up with was Jack Flaherty. The package Elias gave up was a bunch of nothing.

He gave up a fairly covered player in Ortiz and another high ranked prospect for a rental in Burnes.

At the deadline, he took on a fairly significant amount of money and gave up quite a bit of capital in the Eflin, Soto, Rogers trades.

This offseason he committed a decent bit for O'Neill and Sanchez.

 

Jack Flaherty is an interesting one, because his stuff is electric, and he had a track record.  Then this year he pitches a little better and he's a great pickup for the Dodgers.  I think his results this season make it more clear what Elias was hoping to get when he traded for him last year, things just didn't work out.

 

For the record, as well as Flaherty pitched for the Tigers I wouldn't have wanted to trade for him.

[Ravens2006]

I'm upping my guess to 93.72% chance it's LaConfora...

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I'll leave it at I encourage someone at the Sun or the Banner to follow up on this. Certainly newsworthy if this source is spitting facts and multiple people in the org feel the same way. Something tells me we wont get any sort of article from a Meoli, Meyer, or Allentuck though

[BaltBird 24]

Is it really the type of article that needs further investigating? It's basically telling us what we already know. Elias doesn't like spending money and he's the ultimate control guy. The other stuff, like it being a vanity project is just personal opinion.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Is it really the type of article that needs further investigating? It's basically telling us what we already know. Elias doesn't like spending money and he's the ultimate control guy. The other stuff, like it being a vanity project is just personal opinion.

Then post it on a fan message board instead of writing it for a national website. Its gossip and its unprofessional from someone trying to position themself as a journalist. SO yes, now that its a story, Id like some confirmation from a legit journalist.

[BaltBird 24]

It's basically an opinion piece with some quotes from an obviously biased "source." I wouldn't let it bother me that much, personally. Hell, most of it is what most of us had already thought or speculated to begin with. You've been saying that Hyde is nothing but a puppet for the FO for years now.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

It's basically an opinion piece with some quotes from an obviously biased "source." I wouldn't let it bother me that much, personally. Hell, most of it is what most of us had already thought or speculated to begin with. You've been saying that Hyde is nothing but a puppet for the FO for years now.

Im not mad that a disgruntled person has an opinion. My problem is with what we call journalism today and yes it goes beyond the Orioles and baseball.

 

 

As far as the baseball part of it goes, Mack said it best when he said " This type of nonsense makes it difficult to make actual criticisms of Elias and the O's since people lump in legit complaints with garbage like this." 

[CantonJester]

I'll leave it at I encourage someone at the Sun or the Banner to follow up on this. Certainly newsworthy if this source is spitting facts and multiple people in the org feel the same way. Something tells me we wont get any sort of article from a Meoli, Meyer, or Allentuck though

 

The sports desk at the Sun (LOL) and the Banner are likely aware of this, but they're not going to scoop his story. I mean on the one hand, there's likely nothing there, and in doing so they'd either a) look like a stooge for the team or b) burn bridges with said team. 

 

It's a lose/lose/lose situation for anyone to pickup on it until more information surfaces and they can then run on that. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

It's basically an opinion piece with some quotes from an obviously biased "source." I wouldn't let it bother me that much, personally. Hell, most of it is what most of us had already thought or speculated to begin with. You've been saying that Hyde is nothing but a puppet for the FO for years now.

 

Right. Only thing that we really learned from this is that someone who does/did work in the organization has an obvious grievance. Maybe it's justified, maybe not. Either way, that won't keep me up nights for one minute.

[BaltBird 24]

What information can surface from an opinion piece that they can really run with? How can you confirm or deny that Elias is cheap? How anyone know whether or not he's afraid to commit big money to FA's because then there will be more pressure on him for the team to perform?

[TwentyThirtyFive]

 That article reads like a dude post. Literally, I could believe dude wrote it. The fact that its on a national website is something.  I'll leave it at that. 

[BaltBird 24]

Is it really a national site, though? I'd never heard of The Pitcher's List until today.

[CantonJester]

It is the worldwide web. 

[You Play to Win the Game]

Jack Flaherty is an interesting one, because his stuff is electric, and he had a track record.  Then this year he pitches a little better and he's a great pickup for the Dodgers.  I think his results this season make it more clear what Elias was hoping to get when he traded for him last year, things just didn't work out.

 

For the record, as well as Flaherty pitched for the Tigers I wouldn't have wanted to trade for him.

No, it's not "things just didn't work out". It's, get over your insane ego to think that with 8 weeks left in the season, you can fix someone whose been a turd the whole season. It's hubris and nonsense in a playoff run to "augment" your team with guys having a down year. And the genuine, foolish belief that the only reason they're having a down year is because they aren't in the Baltimore org.