I'd love to see a justification for a C.
Just ask Bob why he voted a C.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 05:18 PM
I'd love to see a justification for a C.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 05:27 PM
Just ask Bob why he voted a C.
He doesn't seem to want to defend his position.
I wouldn't either if I were taking this stand.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 05:52 PM
“We have a shot at a wild card right now. But it is not a probability that we're going to win a wild card.” -2022 Trade Deadline
"It's liftoff from here" - after selling on 2022
"We're on a slight upward arc" - Winter Meetings 2022
"I think it's really hard to sit there and chart a course and say, 'We're likely to win the division.'" - Winter Meetings 2022
Mike Elias
Posted 23 December 2022 - 05:55 PM
Pretty hard to understand how, thus far, they are even close to a C. Curious to hear the explanation since none of the types of moves made yet were on anybody's pre offseason wish list.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 05:59 PM
I'd love to see a justification for a C.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:02 PM
Leave Bob alone. He has his reasons and he’s hasn’t gotten in our faces this entire off-season trying to contradict any one. Which I respect.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:06 PM
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:07 PM
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:14 PM
I said D+/C- in the other thread and I’m a glass half full guy plus it’s the holiday season haha.
I think they raised the floor of the roster to try and fight against regression while keeping enough flexibility to continue to improve. Glass half full.
I might agree that they "raised the floor" but here's the problem I see with that. That doesn't really do much for improving the teams playoff chances. It really just means they don't fall as far behind. We need ceiling raisers not floor raisers; players whose reasonable expectations would be to be better than average MLB players.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:17 PM
I said D+/C- in the other thread and I’m a glass half full guy plus it’s the holiday season haha.
I think they raised the floor of the roster to try and fight against regression while keeping enough flexibility to continue to improve. Glass half full.
Did you share your hopes for this offseason ahead of time? What did you want to see accomplished?
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:30 PM
I might agree that they "raised the floor" but here's the problem I see with that. That doesn't really do much for improving the teams playoff chances. It really just means they don't fall as far behind. We need ceiling raisers not floor raisers; players whose reasonable expectations would be to be better than average MLB players.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:37 PM
Did you share your hopes for this offseason ahead of time? What did you want to see accomplished?
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:02 PM
I have a weekly orioles podcast hosted by this website so I’m sure that I have. I’ve also posted my dream offseason on here but realistically I thought:
- get a backup catcher, I said Jorge Alfaro/Austin Hedges
- get a middle of the order bat, I said Michael Brantley
- get a second baseman, I said Jean Segura
- get two SP - one from FA, on from trade. I was thinking along the lines of Bassitt and Burnes/Bieber/maybe Pablo Lopez
- get a RP if one lines up, I said Matt Moore
So if they trade for a mid to top of the rotation starter and acquire another bat I think it’s an easy success. We’ll see. But even if things stay how they are it’s not a complete disaster considering our economy in-house options. But I would be very frustrated at that point.
Thanks.
Yeah, I like what you realistically thought quite a bit.
While there remains some hope that they could do some of what you thought (obviously not necessarily the exact players you list), the moves to date are so far beneath this that it's hard to see how a C could be the conclusion. But sure, glass half full and tis the season and all.
I disagree about the complete disaster part although I probably actually agree with what you mean by that. I assume you mean that they still would have an enticing roster, one with legit solid or better options everywhere. That I agree with. While I would still see plenty of reason for optimism for 2023 and beyond, I however think that the offseason would be a disaster because the opportunity would be squandered to greatly improve the 2023 team, and even more problematic is that opportunity was so immense and did not require much cost to the future.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:05 PM
“We have a shot at a wild card right now. But it is not a probability that we're going to win a wild card.” -2022 Trade Deadline
"It's liftoff from here" - after selling on 2022
"We're on a slight upward arc" - Winter Meetings 2022
"I think it's really hard to sit there and chart a course and say, 'We're likely to win the division.'" - Winter Meetings 2022
Mike Elias
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:07 PM
Thanks.
Yeah, I like what you realistically thought quite a bit.
While there remains some hope that they could do some of what you thought (obviously not necessarily the exact players you list), the moves to date are so far beneath this that it's hard to see how a C could be the conclusion. But sure, glass half full and tis the season and all.
I disagree about the complete disaster part although I probably actually agree with what you mean by that. I assume you mean that they still would have an enticing roster, one with legit solid or better options everywhere. That I agree with. While I would still see plenty of reason for optimism for 2023 and beyond, I however think that the offseason would be a disaster because the opportunity would be squandered to greatly improve the 2023 team, and even more problematic is that opportunity was so immense and did not require much cost to the future.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:08 PM
What if Elias is actually able to win a World Series with an almost completely home grown roster?
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:10 PM
I mean that’s where I am. I think people like you who are much more knowledgeable on the soon-to-arrive talent generally seem a lot more comfortable about the future regardless of this off-season.
That would be fun. But so would winning a World Series with a bunch of mercenaries. Just win a World Series haha.
“We have a shot at a wild card right now. But it is not a probability that we're going to win a wild card.” -2022 Trade Deadline
"It's liftoff from here" - after selling on 2022
"We're on a slight upward arc" - Winter Meetings 2022
"I think it's really hard to sit there and chart a course and say, 'We're likely to win the division.'" - Winter Meetings 2022
Mike Elias
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:15 PM
I mean that’s where I am. I think people like you who are much more knowledgeable on the soon-to-arrive talent generally seem a lot more comfortable about the future regardless of this off-season.
Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:30 PM
What if Elias is actually able to win a World Series with an almost completely home grown roster?
If we assume the 2017 team would've still won through Kosher means, here's the breakdown of their normal 1-9 and the 4 starters who appeared in the WS
C - Brian McCann - 2016 trade
1B - Yuli Gurriel - 2016 int FA (he was an established older player at this point, not a 16-year-old fwiw)
2B - Jose Altuve - 2007 int FA
SS - Carlos Correa - 2012 #1 ovr pick
3B - Alex Bregman - 2015 #2 ovr pick
LF - Marwin Gonzalez - 2011 trade
CF - George Springer - 2008 #11 ovr pick
RF - Josh Reddick - 2016-17 offseason free agent
DH - Carlos Beltran - 2016-17 offseason free agent
SP - Justin Verlander - 2017 deadline trade
SP - Lance McCullers Jr - 2012 #41 ovr pick (second pick for the Astros after Correa)
SP - Dallas Keuchel - 2009 7th round pick
SP - Charlie Morton - 2016-17 offseason free agent
I'm not picking the 2022 roster because that's much further along in their rebuild than we are now
Posted 23 December 2022 - 09:32 PM
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