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#21 FL O's Fan

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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:04 AM

You guys are nuts, this is the way Elias thinks. It has nothing to do with Angelos. Elias is the smartest guy on the planet and a competitive 2022 wasn’t supposed to be a thing.

 

This isn't even about 2022 anymore though. This gets into 2023 and 2024. With a garbo return unless the names were reported wrongly. 



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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:05 AM

I see no reason to make that deal.  Not with Lopez's remaining control, and not without getting something back that's too good to turn down - which they didn't get. 


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:06 AM

My initial quick reaction is that this is the worst trade I've seen since Syd Thrift was involved.  Got next to nothing for an All-Star closer with 2 years of control remaining.

 

Willing to find out more about the prospects and adjust from the original opinion, especially Rojas.  But Cano is a sub-AAA guy, he won't stick on the 40-man after this season.  Povich is a back-end top-30 guy.  Nunez seems like less.  Rojas is interesting.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:06 AM

What about him would say he's a pumpkin though? Mentality maybe? Because the stuff plays since he's been moved to the bullpen. 

 

Nothing I can identify from my outsider perspective. Any number of things the insiders might know about though...



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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:07 AM

Pending more info...this return wouldn't be enough for Dillon Tate, IMO.  Its taking 20 cents on the dollar for Lopez.



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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:09 AM

I'm working my contacts for more info on Rojas. Not expecting quick replies on deadline day.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:10 AM

Horrible trade.

 

No faith that we get anything of substance for Santander either.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:11 AM

Apparently some Twins publications had Povich cracking their top 10.

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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:12 AM

Lol


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:13 AM

Povich looks intriguing. 12 K/9. 4.46 ERA in A+ though.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:13 AM

Apparently some Twins publications had Povich cracking their top 10.

 

3rd round pick (slightly underslot) in 2021.  Has pitched fairly well.  Good K and BB numbers.  A lot of HR.



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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:13 AM

I would have thought that Lopez' trade value >>> Trey's, but this trade does not reflect that at all based on what we know so far.

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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:14 AM

This is once again a screw you to the Oriole fans from the Genius General Manager.  Screw you Mike Elias.  I thought Jorge might get traded, but I thought we would get something of value back.  

Where is the guy that said, "We are not kicking the can down the Road."


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:17 AM

As much as I was OK with trading Lopez, yeah it'd be nice to start getting some guys who could help sooner than 3, 4, 5 years down the road.
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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:17 AM

Yennier Cano is a 28 y/o who got shellacked in his first cup of coffee earlier this season.  He's a zero.

 

MLB.com rates Cade Povich #22 for the Twins.  He's a 22 y/o SP at high-A.  Unremarkable ERA but decent peripherals.

 

Juan Nunez is 21 y/o in the FCL.  Good peripherals, high ERA.  Not in the Twins top-30 according to MLB.com.

 

Juan Rojas is an 18 y/o in the FCL.  Good peripherals.

 

Will try to find bonus info for Nunez and Rojas.

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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:17 AM

This is just a putrid, putrid trade. I don't care if those lotto tickets are aces in 4 years. 



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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:18 AM

As much as I was OK with trading Lopez, yeah it'd be nice to start getting some guys who could help sooner than 3, 4, 5 years down the road.


We have guys that can help as early as this year already in the minors.

 

If these moves help us compete in 3-4 years I am fine with that.

 

Just sucks to be over .500 in August and on the fringe of the WC and trade away two of our better players, including one who was probably our best, and get a handful of lottery picks for them.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:19 AM

Povich has comparable numbers at A+ at 22 y/o as Kevin Smith did at A+/AA as a 22 y/o.  We got Kevin Smith for Miguel Castro.



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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:19 AM

Where's Bob to tell us how amazing Nunez and Rojas will be in 2029?
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Posted 02 August 2022 - 10:19 AM

Literally just gave away your cost controlled closer 2.5 games out.
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