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#201 BSLMikeRandall

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:31 AM

I really don't understand why they can't just go to College OT rules.

I think those rules are dumb too, tbh. NFL has it right, right now. Allow a TD, you lose. Less than that, you get your chance.

I think the Ravens proposal stems purely from analytics. They have probably already figured out the exact yard line they can have the best probability of scoring a TD from, while also the best probability of keeping the opponent out of the end zone from, if given the choice of where to spot the ball.

Games are long enough. Refs already talk too much, explaining how a coin toss works. Announcing every false start. explain the rules of the game like it’s everyone’s first time playing. Explaining this every OT would take 10 minutes.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 08:34 AM

I think those rules are dumb too, tbh. NFL has it right, right now. Allow a TD, you lose. Less than that, you get your chance.

I think the Ravens proposal stems purely from analytics. They have probably already figured out the exact yard line they can have the best probability of scoring a TD from, while also the best probability of keeping the opponent out of the end zone from, if given the choice of where to spot the ball.

Games are long enough. Refs already talk too much, explaining how a coin toss works. Announcing every false start. explain the rules of the game like it’s everyone’s first time playing. Explaining this every OT would take 10 minutes.



I agree and disagree. College rules need some tweaks. But at the same time, College also has some of the most exciting OT games.

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 08:54 AM

I agree and disagree. College rules need some tweaks. But at the same time, College also has some of the most exciting OT games.


I kinda get why college does it. Kickers a generally worse so starting that close to the end zone isn’t an auto score like the NFL would be. But defenses are generally worse so TDs can come easily. College rules definitely need some tweaks. Games are sometimes 4 hours before OT. Then you have the potential to go 3,4,7 OTs which amount to way more than 10-15 minutes of game clock time if there was a running clock.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 08:56 AM

I think those rules are dumb too, tbh. NFL has it right, right now. Allow a TD, you lose. Less than that, you get your chance.

I think the Ravens proposal stems purely from analytics. They have probably already figured out the exact yard line they can have the best probability of scoring a TD from, while also the best probability of keeping the opponent out of the end zone from, if given the choice of where to spot the ball.

Games are long enough. Refs already talk too much, explaining how a coin toss works. Announcing every false start. explain the rules of the game like it’s everyone’s first time playing. Explaining this every OT would take 10 minutes.

 

 

The current OT rules are not complained about until the playoffs come.



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Posted 05 March 2021 - 11:40 AM

I actually like the 7 and a half minute idea for OT.  If it is still tied then.  Let it be tied.


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Posted 05 March 2021 - 11:48 AM

I hate games ending in tie but that's just me.

Maybe the league should go NHL style and a have a field goal "shootout" if the game is tied at the conclusion of OT. We'd be in the catbird seat with #9 back there.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 12:18 PM

The current OT rules are not complained about until the playoffs come.


How so? I remember in the Brady/Mahomes AFC title game people wanted both QBs to get their shot in OT, for entertainment purposes I guess. Were there other examples? The defense has to do their job, it’s a team game, that’s how it goes. Seems fair to me.

I know a big reason for wanted change is teams want to take the coin flip out of the equation. I might have a reasonable solution for that, that also shortens the game. When regulation ends, the team with the ball starts at their own 30, or further back if they possess it there, but not forward of the 30. 10 minute OT clock starts on the next snap. No coin flip, no break. This way there is still the same emphasis to try to win before regulation ends. You don’t want to be in scoring range and the clock hit zero and you have to go back to the 30. Same rules apply as now. Just it’s a matter of possession, game script to that point, and not a coin flip. If a score at the buzzer leads to overtime, the scoring team kicks off as usual, and OT begins.

Or, the home team gets to pick offense or defense or which side to defend. Baseball has a home team advantage to be able to walk it off, give NFL home teams that option instead of a coin flip.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 12:19 PM

I actually like the 7 and a half minute idea for OT. If it is still tied then. Let it be tied.


There are drives that last longer than that. That seems too short. 10 minutes, at least the other team may have a chance.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 12:27 PM

There are drives that last longer than that. That seems too short. 10 minutes, at least the other team may have a chance.

That is a good point.  I think most of the rule changes will get passed by, but it is interesting to think about it.

 

The other one that caught my eye is making roughing the passer rule challengeable.  That will get the same results that the pass interference challenge.  The over rules will be minimal.


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Posted 05 March 2021 - 12:29 PM

Screw the clock. Same rules, no clock. Play til there's a score and a result.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 12:58 PM

Screw the clock. Same rules, no clock. Play til there's a score and a result.

Never going to happen.  The NFL is all about safety, at least after they have drained every nickel out of everywhere.


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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:00 PM

Soccer rules. The game ends when the ref says so.

“Ravens down by 3, 4th quarter winding down, a first down here gets them into FG range...oops, never mind, the ref says that’s it, game over.”
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:10 PM

Soccer rules. The game ends when the ref says so.

“Ravens down by 3, 4th quarter winding down, a first down here gets them into FG range...oops, never mind, the ref says that’s it, game over.”

And Raven Stadium would take it very calmly. :oops:


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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:23 PM

The current OT rules are not complained about until the playoffs come.


I prefer the old rules. Coin flip of who wins possession, and sudden death. 



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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:35 PM


Never going to happen. The NFL is all about safety, at least after they have drained every nickel out of everywhere.

Ehh, the game is the game. Screw ties. If the NFL really cared about safety, it wouldn't exist.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:47 PM

Ehh, the game is the game. Screw ties. If the NFL really cared about safety, it wouldn't exist.

I was kidding.  Frankly, I don't like the idea of ties.  It kind of makes sitting out there for 4 hours and not getting a result a disappointment.


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Posted 05 March 2021 - 01:54 PM

Never going to happen. The NFL is all about safety, at least after they have drained every nickel out of everywhere.


They care about safety in the sense they don’t want to be sued for $600M dollars again. That’s about it.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 06:01 PM

I was fine with the old overtime rules. Worked great for decades. One playoff game where "Peyton Manning didn't get a chance to touch the ball" and all the ridiculous "overly dramatic hot take" goofiness that followed basically changed it. But the Ravens idea for OT is even dumber in my opinion. Hopefully it's laughed away...

On the flip side, the Ravens apparently also pitched adding a booth official to rule on all replays. That's exactly what's needed next for replay. Said it a million times, but the booth ump (or a committee of three) can usually know what the right call should be before the onfield ref has even picked up the challenge flag. And you take the onus OFF the head referee to overrule his crew mates...

Ideally that happens, and also expands to allow the booth official to stop play and call down / fix egregious mistakes without a head coach being forced to do it himself...
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 07:54 PM

I was fine with the old overtime rules. Worked great for decades. One playoff game where "Peyton Manning didn't get a chance to touch the ball" and all the ridiculous "overly dramatic hot take" goofiness that followed basically changed it. But the Ravens idea for OT is even dumber in my opinion. Hopefully it's laughed away...

On the flip side, the Ravens apparently also pitched adding a booth official to rule on all replays. That's exactly what's needed next for replay. Said it a million times, but the booth ump (or a committee of three) can usually know what the right call should be before the onfield ref has even picked up the challenge flag. And you take the onus OFF the head referee to overrule his crew mates...

Ideally that happens, and also expands to allow the booth official to stop play and call down / fix egregious mistakes without a head coach being forced to do it himself...


Agreed. It seems much more streamlined in soccer with VAR. easily half the time, if not more than half.

In fact, the NFL reviews scoring plays and sometimes they have to hold up the point after attempt just to make sure. When the call is right, it takes only a few seconds, no big announcement, no challenge flags. The same process should just as easily be applied to feet down in bounds, catch or not, etc... You really can tell often on first or second angle on TV. It shouldn’t involve all the procedural BS that makes the game momentum grind to a halt.

I don’t know why the same technology that can tell you exactly on what side of the line a tennis ball served at 120mph on, bounces, within 2 seconds. But they can’t apply that to where a toe, a foot touches, at far less speed.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 10:02 PM

Agreed. It seems much more streamlined in soccer with VAR. easily half the time, if not more than half.

In fact, the NFL reviews scoring plays and sometimes they have to hold up the point after attempt just to make sure. When the call is right, it takes only a few seconds, no big announcement, no challenge flags. The same process should just as easily be applied to feet down in bounds, catch or not, etc... You really can tell often on first or second angle on TV. It shouldn’t involve all the procedural BS that makes the game momentum grind to a halt.

I don’t know why the same technology that can tell you exactly on what side of the line a tennis ball served at 120mph on, bounces, within 2 seconds. But they can’t apply that to where a toe, a foot touches, at far less speed.

Yeah, the process of the referee going to the replay screen is goofy. The ref doesn't control the replay, he's asking for angles and loops, etc. It's just such a stupid setup. An official upstairs that has commanding knowledge of how to use all the replay angles, can step frame by frame when needed, etc. can make the calls faster and with more accuracy. And that person doesn't have to worry about the fall out of overturning another crew member's original call.

They also need to find a way to make sure there are cameras that are perfectly in line with the goal line, the sidelines, the end lines, etc. Even the first down marker. The concept of parallax is real. :) Drives me crazy when a broadcast team tries to definitively say the ball was short of or past the line of gain / goal line, when you can tell the camera angle is off and it's impossible to know for sure because of that.




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