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[Mackus]

Hopefully it helps. That has nothing to do with the poor control amd command though

 

Wouldn't have anything to do with hitting or missing his intended target, but could influence control if hitters are spitting on well placed strike-to-ball breaking stuff because they know its coming.  I'm sure its not the only problem he's currently dealing with.

[makoman]

Wouldn't have anything to do with hitting or missing his intended target, but could influence control if hitters are spitting on well placed strike-to-ball breaking stuff because they know its coming.  I'm sure its not the only problem he's currently dealing with.

That's what I was thinking, a lot easier to walk people if they aren't swinging at the out pitches.

 

It's probably easy to get into a mental funk too and suddenly you're trying to paint the corners when you don't really have to.

 

Not that I've watched any of his games or have any clue how he's pitched, just talking...

[dude]

Apparently he's been tipping his pitches. A lot of that lately. Maybe we'll see some improvement if he has that sorted out.

 

Funny watching Trout the other night showing his pitcher how he was tipping while he was standing in CF.

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[DuffMan]

Back on track last night. 4 innings, 1 hit, 1 walk, and 8 k's!

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Wouldn't have anything to do with hitting or missing his intended target, but could influence control if hitters are spitting on well placed strike-to-ball breaking stuff because they know its coming.  I'm sure its not the only problem he's currently dealing with.

This is a valid point but its well known and admitted by his coaches he has some control and command issues.

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[Mackus]

How many innings for Hall this year?  125?  110?

 

He's at 66 so far.  2 1/2 more months in the MLB season (minors end a bit earlier).  He'd be due about 12-13 starts the rest of the way, which is true for both if he gets called up after the break (70 MLB games left) or if he remains in AAA all year (60 games left).  He's unlikely to average more than 5 IP just naturally as a young guy who tends to get wild and throw a lot of pitches, so you might not really need to do much limiting if you're willing to let him get in the 120-130 range.  If you want him in the 110-120 range, then you've gotta either skip 2-3 starts, shut him down (same thing just at the end of the year), or limit him to 2-3 IP for the final 4-5 appearances.

[Mike B]

he pitched 31 innings last year.  I think they max him somewhere around 100-110

[You Play to Win the Game]

Just absurd. Because limiting his limits as severely as they have to this point have kept him healthy?

[Mackus]

Just absurd. Because limiting his limits as severely as they have to this point have kept him healthy?

 

He's avoided major injury thus far.  He's had a lot of injuries including ones that have kept him out a while, but no labrum or UCL tears which are the ones you really want to avoid since they can derail a career (especially shoulder stuff).

 

Would you have no restrictions on anybody?  Or just think that the restrictions on Hall (and some others) have been too severe?

[Mackus]

I'd target 125.  I wouldn't protect everyone, but Hall has had recurring injuries to parts we care about and I'd be more cautious with him than many other guys.  But I think that every pro pitcher can handle 120ish IP over a full season even if they missed the entirety of the previous season.

 

I'd call him up for the 4th or 5th game after the break and basically let him loose, figuring that he'll naturally end up averaging only about 4 1/2 IP per start.  If as we get to September he's already made 7 starts and thrown 35+ innings, I would skip him once to get his pace back down to 125 or so over the final month.

[Slidemaster]

If the goal is for him to be pitching meaningful innings in September of next year, I don't see how he can go any lower than about 120 this year.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

110 is fine

[Mike B]

Just absurd. Because limiting his limits as severely as they have to this point have kept him healthy?

It has this year.   I also think it is a case of the injuries limiting his innings more than the Orioles.

 

IMO, his delivery is so violent, we are always going to be concerned about his health.

[You Play to Win the Game]

He's avoided major injury thus far. He's had a lot of injuries including ones that have kept him out a while, but no labrum or UCL tears which are the ones you really want to avoid since they can derail a career (especially shoulder stuff).

Would you have no restrictions on anybody? Or just think that the restrictions on Hall (and some others) have been too severe?

I’m willing to seeing evidence that restrictions help avoid major injury, but everything I’ve read indicates that evidence doesn’t exist. I wouldn’t go Dusty Baker on everyone’s ass, but this level of babying today is beyond out of hand. It’s only going to get worse. I would use a common sense approach, and work with the training team and the pitchers to determine when their bodies need rest. 

[makoman]

I’m willing to seeing evidence that restrictions help avoid major injury, but everything I’ve read indicates that evidence doesn’t exist. I wouldn’t go Dusty Baker on everyone’s ass, but this level of babying today is beyond out of hand. It’s only going to get worse. I would use a common sense approach, and work with the training team and the pitchers to determine when their bodies need rest. 

I don't have any evidence but I have to assume that if anyone uses an evidence based approach it would be Elias and Sig, this isn't exactly an anecdotal development group. The tough part is that people like us only pay attention to like 10-30 pitchers in one organization. Baseball reference says the O's minor league affiliates have had 155 pitchers this year. Sure you can probably throw out 75 or so with only a handful of innings, but still, that times 30 over numerous years is a daunting amount of data to sift through, if you aren't getting paid to do it.

[DuffMan]

Skip a few starts if need be so we can use him in the playoffs

[Mike B]

Maybe Hall replaces Wells if they shut him down.

 

How exactly can we shut Wells or any other pitcher down.

 

Do we play a man down, or fake an injury?