I'm fine with letting him return or make one more minor league start. Velocity has not been very good, so trying to figure out how to get a couple ticks back would be my focus if keeping him down one more. But seems reasonable to me to throw him back against MLB hitters and let the velocity come back, if it's gonna, over the rest of the month up here. I think I'd trust him at least as much as Gibson and Irvin even if he can only hit the low 90s.
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#241
Posted 02 September 2023 - 12:30 PM
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#242
Posted 02 September 2023 - 12:41 PM
I'm fine with letting him return or make one more minor league start. Velocity has not been very good, so trying to figure out how to get a couple ticks back would be my focus if keeping him down one more. But seems reasonable to me to throw him back against MLB hitters and let the velocity come back, if it's gonna, over the rest of the month up here. I think I'd trust him at least as much as Gibson and Irvin even if he can only hit the low 90s.
That's really where things are right now. He's only going to get stronger if he pitches and really at the major league level. Is he already our 4th best starter? That's the question we need answered.
#243
Posted 02 September 2023 - 12:52 PM
Means is one of those pitchers who has a clue and doesn’t need mid-90’s to stay respectable IMO. But I’m right where you are with this. Good either way. Excited he’s nearing his return.
I'm fine with letting him return or make one more minor league start. Velocity has not been very good, so trying to figure out how to get a couple ticks back would be my focus if keeping him down one more. But seems reasonable to me to throw him back against MLB hitters and let the velocity come back, if it's gonna, over the rest of the month up here. I think I'd trust him at least as much as Gibson and Irvin even if he can only hit the low 90s.
#244
Posted 02 September 2023 - 03:30 PM
#245
Posted 04 September 2023 - 03:27 PM
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#246
Posted 04 September 2023 - 04:03 PM
#247
Posted 04 September 2023 - 04:34 PM
#248
Posted 04 September 2023 - 06:32 PM
I'd like to get him up sooner rather than later. Hard to watch Flaherty/Gibson of late and Irvin makes me shudder.
#249
Posted 05 September 2023 - 08:20 AM
I don't think any of the bottom 3 in our rotation have been bad, just basically what the bottom of a major league rotation looks like. They keep us in the game and the Orioles more times than not win.
That said, I expect Mean's velocity continue to build and if it does he really gives this surging team even another boost.
#250
Posted 05 September 2023 - 05:02 PM
I don't think any of the bottom 3 in our rotation have been bad, just basically what the bottom of a major league rotation looks like. They keep us in the game and the Orioles more times than not win.
That said, I expect Mean's velocity continue to build and if it does he really gives this surging team even another boost.
Camden Chats says his velocity is 90-92 and it was 91.7 pre-injury so he's ok there. They said his changeup command needs to be better but everything else looks fine.
https://www.camdench...rehab-news-2023
#251
Posted 05 September 2023 - 05:19 PM
Camden Chats says his velocity is 90-92 and it was 91.7 pre-injury so he's ok there. They said his changeup command needs to be better but everything else looks fine.
https://www.camdench...rehab-news-2023
He was mostly in the 91s in 2019 so he can certainly be fine there. He was like 93-95 in 2020 and 92-93 in 2021. You'd prefer more velocity obviously, but yeah, how effective the change is will be more important.
https://www.brooksba...5/2023&s_type=2
#252
Posted 05 September 2023 - 05:49 PM
He was 91.7 in 2022, when he made two starts before leaving with his injury.Camden Chats says his velocity is 90-92 and it was 91.7 pre-injury so he's ok there. They said his changeup command needs to be better but everything else looks fine.
https://www.camdench...rehab-news-2023
92.8 in 2021. 93.8 in 2020 (shorter season of course).
Back down at 91.7 in 2019.
I don't think being 90-92 means he can't be successful, but I'd be much happier if he was 91-93. Agree that the 9 MPH delta between fast and change is more important than an extra 1-2 MPH on everything. But having both would be even better.
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#253
Posted 12 September 2023 - 02:04 PM
Hopefully this season doesn't end with the front office being blasted for not adequately upgrading the starting pitching staff but we're starting to take on water and Means might be our last hope.
#254
Posted 12 September 2023 - 10:13 PM
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#255
Posted 12 September 2023 - 11:07 PM
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#256
Posted 13 September 2023 - 06:26 AM
I’ve seen enough, pencil him in as game 3 starter.
Yup. Certainly ahead of Gibson, Irvin, and Flaherty for me in terms of confidence. I would consider Kremer for a spot ahead of him, will see how the next couple starts go.
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#257
Posted 13 September 2023 - 07:29 AM
Yup. Certainly ahead of Gibson, Irvin, and Flaherty for me in terms of confidence. I would consider Kremer for a spot ahead of him, will see how the next couple starts go.
I feel like Kremer is more likely to pitch a really good game than those guys, like 1 run in 6 innings, but still almost as likely to have like a 5 runs in 4 innings game. A healthyish Means should be better and less likely to implode I hope, I’ll take him at 3 unless he proves otherwise next few weeks.
#258
Posted 13 September 2023 - 08:15 AM
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#259
Posted 13 September 2023 - 08:49 AM
I'll be excited about Means next Spring. Right now, I think him, Gibson, Irvin is basically flipping a coin.
Maybe a few more starts, and I'll feel that much better about him.
#260
Posted 13 September 2023 - 09:05 AM
I think the ballpark is a factor here. Having a lefty at Camden Yards should be helpful.
Good point. Opponent will matter, too. Houston, Texas and Toronto hit LHP a good bit better than RHP. Tampa and Seattle are stronger against RHP.
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