HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:13 PM
The guy has been pretty good for the O's and has gotten a ton of K's. His injury is an issue, but I think if he hadn't gotten hurt, this trade wouldn't have happened.
Sure, he's been pretty good. But he is 100% untested as a late inning (8th-9th) guy in a pennant race, not to mention the playoffs. BTW: being out injured is a pretty big issue 
Obviously it would depend on how he was pitching at the time as far as whether the trade would have happened or not had he not been injured.
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:13 PM
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:14 PM
You've upgraded the entire bullpen by his acquisition. He's another guy that can be used in high leverage situations, which means you don't have to use the same arms night after night.
Who said Delmonico was a bust? He's not... he is prospect with promise. A guy that many looked at as a 1st rd talent going into the Spring before the draft... who has shown flashes of that guy. A guy I think was our 4th best prospect... but he's not some definitive guy. He's a guy with some promise who has positional concerns, and many don't think has the bat speed necessary to hit at higher levels.
The O's are trying to win in '13. The team is built to win in '13... they made a move that improves them for '13. Just an easy move for me... I respect that for you and others it was not.
But this team ISN'T built to win in '13. It's not good enough. I'll flat out say it. With this rotation they will not win the AL, let alone the WS.
Banned
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:14 PM
Hunter's recent struggles also may have been a factor too. He was showing he might not be the 8th inning arm he was earlier in the year.
KRod is definitely going to be slotted in as a late inning, high leverage arm. Obviously part of the A team in the bullpen. You just don't put a Steve Johnson or Gausman into the A part of the Bullpen at this point in the season unless its desperation. You want guys you know you can trust, or believe you can trust.
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:15 PM
Gausman has pitched well out of the pen and doesn't need to be counted on for a lot of high leverage innings.
Gausman has pitched 8.2IP out of the bullpen this year. So you're going to say he's been pitching well (while implying that he's going to continue to do so), but then point to K-Rod who's pitched 25 innings and say that you think he's ERA is going to go up by 2 full runs?
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:16 PM
Banned
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:16 PM
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:16 PM
Because Gausman isn't ready and this rotation even with Feldman isn't good enough. Upgrading the rotation moves a SP into the pen which also upgrades the BP.
Short sighted, but feel free to get back to me at the end of the year when we are saying, boy we never would have won a world series title without KRod.
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:16 PM
But this team ISN'T built to win in '13. It's not good enough. I'll flat out say it. With this rotation they will not win the AL, let alone the WS.
You're not making much sense tonight.
Owner
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:17 PM
Because Gausman isn't ready and this rotation even with Feldman isn't good enough. Upgrading the rotation moves a SP into the pen which also upgrades the BP.
Short sighted, but feel free to get back to me at the end of the year when we are saying, boy we never would have won a world series title without KRod.
Ok, we know 4 of our starters are Gonzalez, Chen, Tillman, and Feldman. You have Hammel / Guasman / Britton for the 5th.
If you wanted another starter... who did you want? Did you want Garza? What would have been a comparable price for the O's there? Peavy? We know the O's weren't taking on that contract.
So, if Garza and Peavy were not options... what move were you making to upgrade the rotation?
My guess is that the O's felt they couldn't upgrade the rotation, but could upgrade the bullpen. Do you disagree with that?
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:17 PM
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:18 PM
I had Demonico above Eddy Rodriguez and Schoop. So if anyone is fine with this trade but wouldn't have liked it for either of those guys, then we really agree inn the price.
I would have preferred giving up a lesser prospect for a guy with a lower market right now. I don't think it was a stupid move but I don't like moving Demonico for a guy who I feel is likely to be a good but not dominant reliever (though I agree he has the potential to be dominant and his experience is a nice plus as well).
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:19 PM
Because Gausman isn't ready and this rotation even with Feldman isn't good enough. Upgrading the rotation moves a SP into the pen which also upgrades the BP.
Short sighted, but feel free to get back to me at the end of the year when we are saying, boy we never would have won a world series title without KRod.
Dude. We're talking about Nicky Delmonico, not Kevin Gausman here. If K-Rod isn't THE reason we win the World Series, it's okay. But he has a great chance to help contribute.
You're acting like we gave up our #1, #2, and #4 prospect for 3 months of a SP, saying that it's an awful move unless it's THE difference. He doesn't have to be THE difference, but he has to help. Just like Feldman has to help, and will help.
Again, this is what good teams do.
If I said Jeremy, you have to bet your life on whether Delmonico will start 200 games in the majors by the end of the decade, which way would you bet it?
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:20 PM
Good post. I don't think it's a stupid move either. I just would have rather upgraded in a different way.
Trading Delmonico for K-Rod doesn't stop us from upgrading in a different way.
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:20 PM
But this team ISN'T built to win in '13. It's not good enough. I'll flat out say it. With this rotation they will not win the AL, let alone the WS.
Owner
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:21 PM
But this team ISN'T built to win in '13. It's not good enough. I'll flat out say it. With this rotation they will not win the AL, let alone the WS.
There are no great teams out there. There are a bunch of good teams, with Tampa Bay and Detroit being the favorites in the AL. TB with their overall pitching, surprising offense, and plus defense. Detroit with the thunder, and two pitchers who could control any short series.
The O's focus is getting back to the playoffs and giving themselves a chance. Once in the playoffs, they have a chance.
The O's are a team with obvious flaws, but I fully disagree with the premise they are not built to win now.
Banned
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:21 PM
Let's look at Delmonico for a moment.
Now, let me preface this by saying he was a guy that was top 5 in the organization for me.
But he had warts....he may not have a position. He has had injury issues. He has hit for poor averages thus far...not a good sign. He has gotten progressively worse as the season has gone down.
Now, he has shown solid power and a good bb rate....and is very young. But he is what, 2 years away from being a real option, if he ever is an option?
I really do like him but I do think he looks better here because of our poor system.
Absolutely......It was a one for one trade. Arguably the top RP on the market for a guy who isn't a top 100 prospect.
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:22 PM
Trading Delmonico for K-Rod doesn't stop us from upgrading in a different way.
HOF
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:22 PM
But this team ISN'T built to win in '13. It's not good enough. I'll flat out say it. With this rotation they will not win the AL, let alone the WS.
Banned
Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:23 PM
Did people not see the graphic earlier tonight that we are 11 games over .500 against winning teams. We're a legit contender this year. We can beat anyone in a 7 game series. Im not saying we're the favorite to win the WS or even the AL but we're on of the top 6 or 7 teams in baseball.
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