
Kevin Gregg in '12
#21
Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:08 PM
My son just laughed and said Gregg is getting paid 5 million to travel with the team.
#22
Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:13 PM
It is 10-1 and Gregg does not get the call to pitch the 9th. If he does not pitch here than he should not be on the roster. I am not really making fun of his pitching, but this is the spot where your 12th man finishes the game to save guys who might be needed in a close game.
My son just laughed and said Gregg is getting paid 5 million to travel with the team.
Yeah, I know he pitched last night; but I was also surprised he was not brought back in tonight.
#23
Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:22 PM
He has a finished games clause that kicks in an option or next year...but the 8th inning would have been a good spot.It is 10-1 and Gregg does not get the call to pitch the 9th. If he does not pitch here than he should not be on the roster. I am not really making fun of his pitching, but this is the spot where your 12th man finishes the game to save guys who might be needed in a close game.
My son just laughed and said Gregg is getting paid 5 million to travel with the team.
#24
Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:04 PM
#25
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:31 AM
Up 7-1 last night going into the 9th, Buck Showalter was going to bring in another pitcher after O'Day went 1 2/3 IP. Kevin Gregg (who we can all agree is the worst reliever on the team) hadn't pitched since Friday, while Luis Ayala hadn't pitched since Saturday. Clearly the work last night was going to be mop-up duty, but Buck decided to go with Ayala over Gregg.
Like almost all Orioles fans, I don't think Buck has any confidence in Kevin Gregg. If he can't be used on significant rest in a low-risk game up 6 runs, when is he going to be used?
The better question may be: When will Dan Duquette pull the trigger and release Gregg to bring a serviceable arm to the bullpen?
#26
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:56 AM
Up 7-1 last night going into the 9th, Buck Showalter was going to bring in another pitcher after O'Day went 1 2/3 IP. Kevin Gregg (who we can all agree is the worst reliever on the team) hadn't pitched since Friday, while Luis Ayala hadn't pitched since Saturday. Clearly the work last night was going to be mop-up duty, but Buck decided to go with Ayala over Gregg.
Like almost all Orioles fans, I don't think Buck has any confidence in Kevin Gregg. If he can't be used on significant rest in a low-risk game up 6 runs, when is he going to be used?
I think the decision last night might have been more about getting Ayala work than being afraid to use Gregg. Clearly Ayala is valued greater by Buck than Gregg. On that I agree with you. So, I assume that since Ayala hadn't worked since Saturday, Buck may have wanted to get him an inning of work to keep him sharp. A subtle difference, it wasn't that he was afraid to pitch Gregg, but that he wanted Ayala to get an inning in so he didn't get rusty, if you follow the difference.
#27
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:59 AM
I think it's also likely that he gets more back into the main rotation of bullpen arms as guys who have been unexpectedly dominant, like O'Day, come back down to Earth and start to struggle a bit.
#28
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:08 PM
On a team that is without a long man, why is Gregg still on this team? Clearly, just about any arm would be better. I think we can all agree Gregg wore at his welcome a long time ago, however my main issue here is having a guy on the roster that you refuse to use. He shouldn't be used, and that's because he shouldn't still be on the roster.
@AdamWolff
#29
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:15 PM
#30
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:15 PM
I've mentioned a lot in the game threads lately, that the O's have been in situations that would be 'Gregg territory'. Blow out games that you might use your worst pitcher. He's not getting in. Clearly, he's of no value to the team. I understand why they've kept him in the past. They insisted on forcing him into the late innings, regardless of result. However, Buck has wised up now. He realizes Gregg brings nothing good and he rarely pitches!
On a team that is without a long man, why is Gregg still on this team? Clearly, just about any arm would be better. I think we can all agree Gregg wore at his welcome a long time ago, however my main issue here is having a guy on the roster that you refuse to use. He shouldn't be used, and that's because he shouldn't still be on the roster.
I think this is what bothers me most. Honestly, we haven't had many (if any?) games where the team was in dire need of a long man. We've actually been pretty luck due to the success of the starters thus far. Eventually, it's going to happen, no doubt about it. Every bullpen needs someone who can go 2-3+ innings because a starter just has a really bad night.
#31
Posted 03 May 2012 - 07:56 AM
It didn't take the Orioles long to see the kid was serious. On the first day of spring training, veteran reliever Kevin Gregg sat Bundy down and told him, "I get to the park at 6:45 a.m. every day -- and you will beat me here every day.'' Gregg never had to convey the message again.
If that's his only positive contribution to the team this year, it'll have been a big one. Worth $6M, probably not. But if he set the tone for our #1 prospect to be a true professional, I'll be grateful to him.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax..."
-Walter Sobchak
#32
Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:02 AM
I think Gregg still probably gets another 2-3 outings before they will strongly consider releasing him. But if he continues to only be used sporadically and in very low-leverage situations and still struggles, then he'll be gone. If he pitches well, he'll get a chance to slowly become more trusted.
I think it's also likely that he gets more back into the main rotation of bullpen arms as guys who have been unexpectedly dominant, like O'Day, come back down to Earth and start to struggle a bit.
Obviously, O'Day and the others will give up runs, but if you look at what O'Day did in 2009 and 2010 for the Rangers, what he's doing now shouldn't be labeled unexpected. He was one of the best relievers in the game, period. Physical problems hurt him last year but he seems to be over them.
#33
Posted 05 May 2012 - 05:16 PM
I'm hoping Buck starts to mix him in a little more in the coming days or DD figures out a way to talk the Angelos family into approving his release. Either way get Buck to use Gregg or get him off the roster. if the situation goes on I can see Buck doing damage by over using the rest of the guys.
Just my .02 cents.
#34
Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:18 PM
I still think the team would be much better suited to have a long man occupying his pen spot (Pomeranz, perhaps?), but Gregg has been a little better. I still have no confidence when he comes in, though.
@AdamWolff
#35
Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:48 PM
Consider that Gregg over his last 5 appearances has thrown 6.1 scoreless innings with 6 K's and a Whip of 0.82. If your gonna have him out there you got to start using him a little more often, especially when he seems to be going well.
#36
Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:50 PM
Some games where we are up 3(or down a few) and need someone to come in the 6th or 7th inning is the type of situation where he needs to be used.
#37
Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:00 PM
#38
Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:08 PM
Last year weren't we talking about Buck should never use him and he got a lot of grief and now were telling him to use him? I do think if there is no trust in him, they should outright release him rather than him taking a roster spot, but I have no problem of him being used, but ideally not in high leverage situations. Agreed, time for him to sink or swim.
For what it's worth, I trust Gregg more than I do Eveland and at least as much, maybe more, than Patton right now. I know they are keeping Eveland around as a long man but ideally you DFA him again and bring up Pomeranz.
#39
Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:10 PM
I think Buck should keep Gregg in low leverage situations. There are going to be plenty of innings for him to pitch when the O's are up or down more at least 4-5 runs. He shouldn't be pitching in games where his poor pitching can determine the outcome.
And there's just no reason for Eveland to be on the roster. Send that guy back to the minors.
#40
Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:13 PM
Maybe you wait to see if he has another few good outings...i wouldn't be opposed to that.
But after that, you have to start seeing how he handles things.
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