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[NewMarketSean]

I might watch the game, or I might not. I'm on record as saying that none of what happens in the regular season (including all the criticism) means anything. When the playoffs start, assuming they make it, they have the chance to do something relevant.

Kathy Bates is fantastic though. That wasn't even on my radar.

Why not withhold from posting until the postseason then? If you talk about it be about it.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Why not withhold from posting until the postseason then? If you talk about it be about it.

Viper had it exactly right. He didnt watch a game they won but he still had to make an appearance and be completely miserable. Chump city

[mweb08]

Outsider perspective, but if not for both a missed under 50 yard FG and a botched onside kick, the Ravens win handily. They dominated otherwise and it was an encouraging win imo.

[Ravens2006]

Some random interesting factoids...

 

The Ravens have the 3rd best overall winning percentage of the 32 active franchises.  Only Dallas and GB are slightly better.  

 

Despite having been in existence for 66 years longer, the Lions have 9 playoff game wins, while the Ravens have 17 .

 

The Ravens have the 4th best playoff winning percentage, with only the Patriots, 49ers, and Packers have higher playoff winning percentages.

 

Might make one really sympathize with Lions fans...

[BSLChrisStoner]

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[TwentyThirtyFive]

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[NewMarketSean]

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Interesting. Not surprised we're at the bottom. But with KC it's the flags they don't throw against KC's offense that is a major factor with them.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I just don't care about DVOA anymore. It means nothing. No bearing on who wins or when or how. Not predictive in any way of performance. Where did DVOA get the 2019 and 2023 Ravens? Nowhere.

11th in defense? LOL. This is a bottom 10 defense for sure, and probably lower.

Actually 10th in D after updates!!!  Fell to 2nd on offense and 5th overall. So now you can bitch about that. 

[BSLChrisStoner]

At the absolute minimum, this is going to be an above average defense, with an above average secondary.
That's the absolute minimum. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

At the absolute minimum, this is going to be an above average defense, with an above average secondary.
That's the absolute minimum. 

They have taken a step back but that was to be expected. Last year they were historically good. Top 10 is safe safe unless they suffer multiple huge injuries.

[Biggsy]

At the absolute minimum, this is going to be an above average defense, with an above average secondary.
That's the absolute minimum.

I tend to agree, barring injuries. But Humphrey, Stephens and Wiggins are all above average at worst. Hamilton and Williams are both well above average at worst. Hamilton is borderline elite at his position if we're being honest. I think the secondaries issues lie more with the man placing them, than it does with their talent. Macdonald struggled big time in his first season, and he had prior DC experiences at the power 5 level in college. We went to a guy with 0 experience as a DC at any high level. He's going to have a learning curve. I feel like his initial gameplans have been extremely good. I think his issues turn towards adjustments after the offense adjusts to his initial gameplan.

Macdonald last season was phenomenal at in-game adjustments. He had opposing offenses off balance every game. And when they thought they figured out how to respond, he adjusted and took their adjustments away. The Miami game is a perfect example. Miami came out and looked unstoppable. Macdonald changed up his coverages, and Miami had no answer.

It's going to be a while before we see if Orr can get anywhere close to that level. If he can figure out how to adjust in game better, the defense can be a top unit again.

[1970]

I wouldn’t discount the impact of the loss of Dennard Wilson.  He seemed to have a positive impact on last year’s secondary.

[PrimeTime]

At the absolute minimum, this is going to be an above average defense, with an above average secondary.
That's the absolute minimum. 

 

The talent in the secondary is off the charts but growing pains of playing together and under a new DC are surely a factor in some not great numbers thus far.

[Slidemaster]

The level.of talent doesn't matter if the DC can't put them in position to succeed. When three teams in a row are breaking off huge chunk yardage close and late, the DC is lost.

[makoman]

The level.of talent doesn't matter if the DC can't put them in position to succeed. When three teams in a row are breaking off huge chunk yardage close and late, the DC is lost.

Maybe, but what are you going to do fire him now? If so you'd fire Macdonald after week 4 2022. As you like to say, all that matters is the playoffs, so let's see how we're doing by then.

[Slidemaster]

Maybe, but what are you going to do fire him now? If so you'd fire Macdonald after week 4 2022. As you like to say, all that matters is the playoffs, so let's see how we're doing by then.

No you don't fire him now, but he's obviously not up to speed. If they remain this poor I would look elsewhere in the offseason.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I dont have a clue how good or bad Orr will be. Neither does anyone else. Im sure slide said stupid things about MacDonald in '22 as well

[Mackus]

I dont have a clue how good or bad Orr will be. Neither does anyone else. Im sure slide said stupid things about MacDonald in '22 as well

 

https://forum.baltim...-918-miami-1pm/

[Biggsy]

I dont have a clue how good or bad Orr will be. Neither does anyone else. Im sure slide said stupid things about MacDonald in '22 as well

I was pretty critical of Macdonald in '22. He kind of deserved it. He was in over his head at the NFL level for the first half of his first season. He figured it out. And he became an elite DC.

It's part of why I'm going to give Orr his chance. He'll struggle early. Hopefully he follows the same path as Macdonald.

For what it's worth, PFF sent out their rankings of CB's through week 3. Humphrey was ranked 2nd. They use a metric that watches all coverage snaps, and grades them on seperation given up, whether they were targeted or not. The pass defense has given up chunk yardage, it seems as though Humphrey isn't at fault. He's been the 2nd stickiest CB in the NFL so far.

[Pedro Cerrano]

So like. What the heck is going on here?