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#141 makoman

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 09:50 AM

And Irvin had a better fWAR in 2021. And Gibson was better than both of them. Maybe I'm nitpicking but I don't see it with Taillon. Exactly 100 ERA+ two years straight, after his second Tommy John. Peripherals are fine, nothing great. He's been better than Irvin but at the cost I'm fine with Irvin. Cost matters, you should be improving the team elsewhere with that savings. And Gibson's 2021 is better than any year Taillon had since his second TJ. Taillon's floor is what you're paying for I guess, but he'd be the same complaint, you are just locking in a mid rotation at best guy.

 

Walker maybe has more upside IMO, but just a year ago he had a worse year than either of Irvin's full years. Bassitt has been more consistently better and was the clear choice to go after. Anyone else in this tier has plenty of warts. Like Eovaldi could be better than all of them but can't be trusted for 150 innings. I would have preferred Bassitt greatly or Walker mildly over these guys, anyone else is kinda whatever your preference is. I'm just talking about this second tier, with the caveat that I would have wanted someone from the top tier.  



#142 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 09:55 AM

I agree about a dollar spent on Walker is not one less spent elsewhere but its not genuinely about that for me. We all agree they could and should spend more. Being in on real difference needed to happen. I dont think thats Tallion or Walker. Dont think its Bassitt either for that matter.

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 10:47 AM

Not sure how anybody can equate 2 back end starters, when we needed at least one front end and one upper end, with a C? Its a D at best IMO.


Especially when one just replaced another backend starter.

I think with the actual letter grade, it goes back to something previously discussed, which is that while F is the lowest letter grade, it encompasses the majority of the numerical range. So it didn't mean they did the worst job possible or anything close to it, but it does mean that the performance was not worthy of a passing score.

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Posted 30 March 2023 - 07:15 AM

Irvin to start Game 3

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Posted 09 April 2023 - 07:50 AM



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Posted 09 April 2023 - 09:46 AM

When is Means going to get back? Seriously, I think Irvin is better than what we've seen so far but so far he's stunk.



#147 Mike B

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Posted 10 April 2023 - 11:13 AM

When is Means going to get back? Seriously, I think Irvin is better than what we've seen so far but so far he's stunk.

He has had company.  I am hopefully that as guys get stretched out, the results will be better.


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Posted 10 April 2023 - 02:56 PM

He didnt stink yesterday. We have to remember the 1st run he gave up shouldnt have happened. Another defensive miscue. It wasnt pretty and you expct more but it was ok. Can do worse than 2 runs over 4.2

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Posted 10 April 2023 - 03:39 PM

He didnt stink yesterday. We have to remember the 1st run he gave up shouldnt have happened. Another defensive miscue. It wasnt pretty and you expct more but it was ok. Can do worse than 2 runs over 4.2

Ok but the facts are he gave up 3 runs.

He walked 4 guys.

He threw 101 pitches

All in less than 5 innings.

 

Sorry but IMO, that stinks.



#150 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 10 April 2023 - 03:42 PM

Ok but the facts are he gave up 3 runs.
He walked 4 guys.
He threw 101 pitches
All in less than 5 innings.

Sorry but IMO, that stinks.

Thats not the reality of baseball in 2023. Again, not arguing it was good. It didnt stink either.

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Posted 10 April 2023 - 03:46 PM

Ok but the facts are he gave up 3 runs.

He walked 4 guys.

He threw 101 pitches

All in less than 5 innings.

 

Sorry but IMO, that stinks.

 

The walks just baffled me.  The Oriole Park outfield is huuuuge, GO AFTER THE BATTERS (named other than Judge)!



#152 BaltBird 24

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Posted 10 April 2023 - 05:06 PM

I was at the game Saturday and didn't have a great angle, but looked like Irvin was getting squeezed a bit. Yeah, if he can give you 5-6 innings and limit opponents to 2-3 runs you're going to compete more often than not.

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Posted 10 April 2023 - 05:07 PM


I was at the game Saturday and didn't have a great angle, but looked like Irvin was getting squeezed a bit. Yeah, if he can give you 5-6 innings and limit opponents to 2-3 runs you're going to compete more often than not.

He made some good borderline low pitches that werent called.

#154 BobPhelan

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:38 PM

Optioned to AAA Norfolk

#155 Mike in STL

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:42 PM

Optioned to AAA Norfolk


The lone addition after filling in the subtractions from last years team. Sad.
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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:43 PM

That was quick.

#157 makoman

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:52 PM

The right move at this point. Hopefully he can get back to what he was the past couple years.


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#158 Mackus

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 08:11 PM

I think it's the right move. Case to be made for Kremer as well but I'd have made the same decision.

Will Bradish be back by the next time Irvin's turn is up?

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 08:15 PM

I think it's the right move. Case to be made for Kremer as well but I'd have made the same decision.

Will Bradish be back by the next time Irvin's turn is up?

 

Bradish is pitching in Bowie tomorrow. Supposed to go 4-5 innings and be activated Wednesday against the Nationals.


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#160 BaltBird 24

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 08:20 PM

Honestly pretty shocked they optioned Irvin instead of Rodriguez.




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