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[bmore_ken]

I have a feeling Lamar's price is going to be like the stock market this year.  Today he's had an MVP performance and his price is way up.  If he throws two picks and the Ravens lose in New England, people will be screaming to let him walk.  

That would be 6 TD vs 3picks. Actual fans of the game aren't screaming at that point. Those people screaming let him walk in that situation are the same people  screaming let him walk now at 6 TDS and 1 pick..

[bmore_ken]

Relax a min. He was the MVP through Week 6 last year

He also threw 16 TDs despite missing 4 and half games.

[The Epic]

Price of the brick...

[BSLMikeFast]

I never said it was great playcalling, so please try not to mischaracterize my argument.

 

I've said that pointing to 59 passes or whatever is a lazy argument, and it is.  That was absolutely due to being in a huge deficit in the second half.  The run/pass split in the first half if very fair game, but its simply beneath you and everyone else here to just say "59 passes" or "9 RB runs" or whatever the numbers are as if that tells the entire story.

 

I've also said (previously moreso than this thread) that if you go back and look at the play-by-play, even in that time prior to the Jackson fumble in the early second half, there aren't a ton of opportunities where you could wisely argue that they should have run instead of pass.  Go find them, show me all the passing plays that you think we should have run instead.  There are some, a handful or so.  You can argue they should run on 2nd-and-10 some times, or that they never ever should throw on 1st down, for example.  But there are not many.

 

 

Here is the link.  Count the plays for me.  How many runs would you have called?

https://www.espn.com...ameId/401131041

There's a clip circulating where Justice Hill takes an off-tackle run to the sideline instead of cutting up along the numbers, inside his blockers. That isn't on Greg Roman or John Harbaugh. Believe it or not, a player doesn't always execute what the coach instructs them to do.

[You Play to Win the Game]

I’m over my fear of giving one position that much of the cap. Sign him. They'd be absolutely awful without Lamar.

[bmore_ken]

I’m over my fear of giving one position that much of the cap. Sign him. They'd be absolutely awful without Lamar.

I've been saying that for over a year now. 

[Ravens2006]

As far as the offense goes financially, I'd be content if they focused on keeping Lamar and putting the 5 best OL the can gather in front of him. If that means RBs, WRs, and TEs change frequently and skill position players don't get second contracts here, so be it. It's a cap limited sport, can't have everything. Lamar and OL.

[bmore_ken]

As far as the offense goes financially, I'd be content if they focused on keeping Lamar and putting the 5 best OL the can gather in front of him. If that means RBs, WRs, and TEs change frequently and skill position players don't get second contracts here, so be it. It's a cap limited sport, can't have everything. Lamar and OL.

Amen brother. Sign me up for that plan.

[Slidemaster]

As far as the offense goes financially, I'd be content if they focused on keeping Lamar and putting the 5 best OL the can gather in front of him. If that means RBs, WRs, and TEs change frequently and skill position players don't get second contracts here, so be it. It's a cap limited sport, can't have everything. Lamar and OL.

That would require them to be able to properly draft OL. Have you seen the results outside of Linderbaum? Awful.

[jamesdean]

That would require them to be able to properly draft OL. Have you seen the results outside of Linderbaum? Awful.

I thought the picks of Stanley and Brown were above average and they've drafted several over the years that were solid. It can be done but you need a lot of quality depth at those positions because of the ridiculous attrition rate in the sport now. That's where the challenge is for any team and the Ravens have not done a very good job in that department lately.

[BaltBird 24]

I've still got hope that Cleveland can produce. Powers isn't great, but he's not horrible, either. Tyre Phillips seems to be the one terrible example.

[Biggsy]

I've still got hope that Cleveland can produce. Powers isn't great, but he's not horrible, either. Tyre Phillips seems to be the one terrible example.

I feel like the only thing stopping Cleveland, is opportunity. Powers is a good pass blocker. He is absolutely horrid as a run blocker.

[Mackus]

DeCosta has been the director of college scouting or higher starting in 2003.  Shortly after they drafted Ben Grubbs and Marshal Yanda in the same draft, he got a promotion to Director of Player Personnel and then quickly after that to Assistant GM.

 

Offensive Linemen drafted by his role:

 

Directory of College Scouting

Tony Pashos (5), Brian Rimpf (7), Adam Terry (2), Jason Brown (4), Chris Chester (2), Ben Grubbs (1), Marshal Yanda (3), Oniel Cousins (3), David Hale (4)

 

Director of Player Personnel

Michael Oher (1), Ramon Harewood (6), Jah Reid (3)

 

Assistant GM

Kelechi Osemele (2), Gino Gradkowski (4), Ricky Wagner (5), Ryan Jensen (6), John Urschel (5), Robert Myers (5), Ronnie Stanley (1), Alex Lewis (4), Nico Siragusa (4), Jermaine Eleumenor (5), Orlando Brown Jr (3), Greg Senat (6), Bradley Bozeman (6)

 

GM

Ben Powers (4), Tyre Phillips (3), Ben Brederson (4), Ben Cleveland (3), Tyler Lindebaum (1), Daniel Faalele (4), 

[makoman]

I don’t know how far back counts, but since 2012 they’ve drafted (round)

 

K.O. (2nd)

Gradkowski (4th)

Wagner (5th)

Jensen (6th)

Urschel (5th)

Myers (5th)

Stanley (1st)

Lewis (4th)

Siragusa (4th)

Eluemunor (5th)

Brown (3rd)

Senat (6th)
Bozeman (6th)

Powers (4th)

Phillips (3rd)

Bredeson (4th)

Cleveland (3rd)

Linderbaum (1st)

Faalele (4th)

 

Plus notable undrafted:

Hurst

Mekari

Skura

 

To me, KO, Wagner, Jensen, Stanley, Brown, Bozeman were great picks. Hurst and Mekari were very good for UDFAs. Too early to tell for the last 3. Of the others, some have been ok, some forgettable.

 

So out of 16 picks (other than the last 3) you've got 6 very good picks. Doesn't seem great, but then consider that 12 of the 16 were 4th round or later. 4th round picks and later just don't hit that often, so I think the track record is decent. They are 3 for 4 in 3rd rounders and up, with Cleveland and Linderbaum still TBD. Plus throw in the UDFAs. Anyway, I wouldn't mind if they start using some higher picks on the line. 

[Slidemaster]

Since EDC has been the GM, his OL picks have been bad. I know everyone wants to give him credit for everything that happened when Ozzie was here, but that logic essentially means Ozzie had no role or usefulness. There is no chance Ozzie didn't have a good deal to do with who they selected, and since he's left, the results have been well below average.

[makoman]

EDC was heavily involved, especially near the end of Ozzie’s tenure. Ozzie had the final say I’m sure, just as Ozzie is still involved but EDC has final say. But especially in 2018, an all world draft, Ozzie knew he was stepping down for EDC…I can’t believe EDC wouldn’t have had significant input on the team he was about to inherit. I’m happy to give EDC a lot of credit for 2018. Maybe I’m wrong, but no one knows.

[Mike in STL]

Since EDC has been the GM, his OL picks have been bad. I know everyone wants to give him credit for everything that happened when Ozzie was here, but that logic essentially means Ozzie had no role or usefulness. There is no chance Ozzie didn't have a good deal to do with who they selected, and since he's left, the results have been well below average.

No one is saying that at all. Nice try though.

[Slidemaster]

No one is saying that at all. Nice try though.

Look, you can't have it both ways. If you want to give EDC credit for all the picks while Ozzie was here, and claim they should be on his resume just as much as his picks post Ozzie, than the obvious implication is that Ozzie wasn't that important. I don't believe that to be the case, and have noticed a decline in quality personnel taken in the middle rounds (particularly OL) since Ozzie left.

[bmore_ken]

Since EDC has been the GM, his OL picks have been bad. I know everyone wants to give him credit for everything that happened when Ozzie was here, but that logic essentially means Ozzie had no role or usefulness. There is no chance Ozzie didn't have a good deal to do with who they selected, and since he's left, the results have been well below average.

Makoman just proved this post to be BS

[Slidemaster]

Makoman just proved this post to be BS

Uh...no he didn't.