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[Ravens2006]

Harbaugh loves everybody. That's his facade. He admitted as much in a coaching clinic talk he did a few years back, I posted a clip of it not long ago (talking about how him and Ed Reed didn't exactly mesh, but he'd tell him "I love you" anyway).  It all sounds corny, but it is his thing.  Not saying it's all bad, or even partly bad.  It's just his thing.  What he thinks about a player personally and what he says out loud are probably two VERY different things in SOME cases.  So never, ever read much in to his public comments about a player.

[BSLMikeRandall]

His signing the tag would actually require Lamar to participate in the process. At this point he hasn't shown any interest in participating at all. Instead of reaching out to teams to gauge interest, his business partner alledgedly reaches out. Instead of finding out what his value truly is by reaching out to other teams, he calls out the Ravens for not "being interested in his value." I do think that Lamar will eventually sign the tag that allows him to be traded. I think it will be after the draft and it will be to the detriment of the Ravens. It's clear to me from Lamar's actions that he is done with the Ravens.

Exactly. All the stuff he wants, he can’t do, because he’s ignorant to the process, and yeah, seems very disinterested in doing his part.

How hard is it for LJ to reach out to teams himself so they can actually negotiate a deal? I guess pretty hard when your making bad gym infomercials.

He wants to be traded. Gotta sign the tag. Get up off your ass and sign the paper.

Lamar isn’t doing anything he needs to do in his role of getting the process going. With no agent, he needs to contact teams. Without signing the tag, he can’t be traded.

Waiting on you Lamar. Ball is in his court, full stop. I don’t think he wakes up anytime soon. Not before the draft at least.

[Steve55]

These ESPN guys are so full of it. Not one would say no team has made contact with him. No team wants to give him the contract he wants.

[Mackus]

Its a bit of a feint but the Ravens have some leverage with Lamar to tell him they won't consider a trade until he signs the tender.  Obviously Lamar has to sign the tender before a trade (or a signed offer sheet) is actually processed, but that can remain unsigned while all of the conversations are happening and then be the last procedural step before a trade or offer sheet is finalized.  But the Ravens can tell him they're not going to even entertain the idea until/unless he signs it.  I don't really think that gives the Ravens much more leverage, but it at least starts the ball rolling towards some sort of resolution, so may be a good idea.

 

On the other hand, still seems like the Ravens want him back, so maybe just telling him that they aren't gonna entertain a trade at all is the way to go.

[bmore_ken]

Good luck trying to find a trading partner.

I've been saying the same thing

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its a bit of a feint but the Ravens have some leverage with Lamar to tell him they won't consider a trade until he signs the tender. Obviously Lamar has to sign the tender before a trade (or a signed offer sheet) is actually processed, but that can remain unsigned while all of the conversations are happening and then be the last procedural step before a trade or offer sheet is finalized. But the Ravens can tell him they're not going to even entertain the idea until/unless he signs it. I don't really think that gives the Ravens much more leverage, but it at least starts the ball rolling towards some sort of resolution, so may be a good idea.

On the other hand, still seems like the Ravens want him back, so maybe just telling him that they aren't gonna entertain a trade at all is the way to go.

I dont think hes gonna sign the tender anytime soon. Can the team fine him if he sits out TC while under contract?? In reality I dont know how much,if any, leverage he loses by signing the tender but signing it early during a dispute feels like youre given ground even if it really makes little difference

[makoman]

I dont think hes gonna sign the tender anytime soon. Can the team fine him if he sits out TC while under contract?? In reality I dont know how much,if any, leverage he loses by signing the tender but signing it early during a dispute feels like youre given ground even if it really makes little difference

My understanding: If you hold out from mandatory activities while under contract you are fined $50k per day. If you don't sign the tag you aren't under contract so that doesn't apply. So if he signs he has to show up or be fined, but he can hold in as they say, just pretend he's hurt and not do anything.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

My understanding: If you hold out from mandatory activities while under contract you are fined $50k per day. If you don't sign the tag you aren't under contract so that doesn't apply. So if he signs he has to show up or be fined, but he can hold in as they say, just pretend he's hurt and not do anything.

True, but pretending youre hurt again. Not a good look for him considering how the last 2 yeaes ended. Still would have to be at camp for meetings and to "rehab the injury". Again, its also the perception that he is giving in. Now, if Baltimore gave him a guarantee they'd trade him once he signs it he might do it. I just think any trade thats gonna happen its gonna be Ravens giving permission for Lamar to negotiate. Whuch brings us full circle to the issue. Lamar apparently is being unreasonable in his demands according to all teams. It only takes one but it doesnt seem like there is one.


For me it gets interesting if Lamar backs off the demands he isnt getting and comes closer to the number the Ravens offered. Has a line been crossed? Can fences be mended? Or does he want out regardless and he ends up traded and signed for something the Ravens wouldve given him.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

The draft is in 4 weeks and 2 days. The longer this drags on the less likely a trade can happen. Sure it could happen the day of the draft but teams want to have a good idea of where they stand QB wise early enough to make draft decisions.

 

1. Do they draft a QB?

2. Do they move up or down in the draft based upon the above.

3. What alternatives do they have outside Lamar or the draft?

[makoman]

For me it gets interesting if Lamar backs off the demands he isnt getting and comes closer to the number the Ravens offered. Has a line been crossed? Can fences be mended? Or does he want out regardless and he ends up traded and signed for something the Ravens wouldve given him.

Rapoport said that they were still negotiating as of last week, I.e. 3 weeks after the trade request, so at least as of then bridges hadn't been burned. Who knows if making the request public burned bridges, or if something else happened that caused him to make it public.

 

It seems pretty clear as of now that his reported demands are scaring people off and the Ravens aren't going to budge or else they would have by now. So he is either going to have to back off those demands, sit out until he is unrestricted and hope that changes things, or play and ball out and hope that changes things. 

[cprenegade]

Rapoport said that they were still negotiating as of last week, I.e. 3 weeks after the trade request, so at least as of then bridges hadn't been burned. Who knows if making the request public burned bridges, or if something else happened that caused him to make it public.

 

It seems pretty clear as of now that his reported demands are scaring people off and the Ravens aren't going to budge or else they would have by now. So he is either going to have to back off those demands, sit out until he is unrestricted and hope that changes things, or play and ball out and hope that changes things. 

 

I think that is the case, and especially since it was timed to the exact time that Harbaugh was addressing the owners convention leaving him to hang out to dry without any knowledge it was made public.  

 

Publicly Harbaugh has said all the right things about wanting Lamar back, privately he has to be seething about the way it was done.  

 

But, who knows.  Only the Ravens FO and Lamar really know if the relationship is dead at this point.  

[BSLMikeRandall]

Comparing him to AB is completely unfair.

Meh. He hasn't stripped down on the field and danced his way out of the NFL. But the character flaws there are larger than the talent. Brown was a better WR than LJ is a QB, and maybe that's why he got offer after offer despite his flaws until he finally burnt every bridge.

 

Seems like the only team willing to ignore Lamar's character flaws and pay Lamar what he wants already employs Deshaun Watson. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

The draft is in 4 weeks and 2 days. The longer this drags on the less likely a trade can happen. Sure it could happen the day of the draft but teams want to have a good idea of where they stand QB wise early enough to make draft decisions.

 

1. Do they draft a QB?

2. Do they move up or down in the draft based upon the above.

3. What alternatives do they have outside Lamar or the draft?

With their lack of picks I don’t see any way they can find a replacement for him in the draft. At least not someone who would be able to start in 2023. The alternative right now, as far as who is on the roster, is Anthony Brown. There’s always Huntley too, but that no other team in need of a QB has already picked him up should tell us what we need to know there.

[Mike B]

If he goes they will have money.  QB's will hit the market after the draft.  Someone better than Huntley will be there.

 

 

Maybe next year is a struggle, but there is still good talent on this team, and hopefully we will soon be past all this Lamar BS.

[bmore_ken]

I dont think hes gonna sign the tender anytime soon. Can the team fine him if he sits out TC while under contract?? In reality I dont know how much,if any, leverage he loses by signing the tender but signing it early during a dispute feels like youre given ground even if it really makes little difference

He's not under contract

[BSLSteveBirrer]

With their lack of picks I don’t see any way they can find a replacement for him in the draft. At least not someone who would be able to start in 2023. The alternative right now, as far as who is on the roster, is Anthony Brown. There’s always Huntley too, but that no other team in need of a QB has already picked him up should tell us what we need to know there.

Mike I was referring more to other teams that might consider trading for him. Applies to the Ravens too but I was thinking more from the perspective of an outside team that might be willing to trade for LJ.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

My understanding: If you hold out from mandatory activities while under contract you are fined $50k per day. If you don't sign the tag you aren't under contract so that doesn't apply. So if he signs he has to show up or be fined, but he can hold in as they say, just pretend he's hurt and not do anything.

Yeah. Right now I would guess hes frustrated and pouting but eventually hes got a big decision to make. Sit out or come off the demands no one us going to give you. But if the latter is true what does sitting out a year or two get you. Just the right to pick the exact team you want to go to as an UFA in '25.