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[Mackus]

PA are a better gauge than AB for Vavra in particular as someone who walks a lot.  He got 184 PA at AA last year and 110 at AAA so far this year.  I'm a bit confounded by his slash line this year.  His ISO has plummeted to what would probably be an unsustainable level if its legit and his K-rate has dropped quite a bit.  His AVG is up a lot, but his BABIP is nearly 400 so don't know if its just lucky or if he's attempted some change to his swing to maximize contact and singles at the expense of power.  Probably just a quirk of a small sample. 

 

I'd be fine with him coming up as soon as right now.  Also ok if they keep him down for another 100 or so PA and then bring him up in mid- to late-July.  He's 25 years old, don't really need to play it slow. 

[makoman]

I'm also fine with him coming up or staying down for a bit. I can't imagine anyone would actually give up anything of value for Odor?

 

Vavra is still the at the prospect level where if he's coming up I want him to play, if not then let him play every day at AAA. Not sure where that line is (for example I've always been fine with McKenna not playing every day, and I'd absolutely want Westburg/Stowers/Gunnar playing every day if they came up) but Vavra is probably close to it.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

They arent slow playing anything with Vavra. Just needs to stay healthy and get into a rhythm 

[Mackus]

They arent slow playing anything with Vavra. Just needs to stay healthy and get into a rhythm 

 

He's a 25 y/o who isn't in the majors, so its slow.  There are rational reasons for him still being in the minors, some of which were completely outside everyone's control.  But its still slow.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Im saying they arent slow playing his service time in any way. He is still in the minors because he hasnt been healthy enough the last few years and doesnt have the reps

[Mackus]

Agree they aren't manipulating his service.  

[Hooded Viper]

I think you are right Chris! Something Mike Elias said in his last interview, and my 50-year-old brain can’t remember the exact quote, seemed to intimate that they’re starting SS is not currently in the system. And, as flashy and toolsy as Mateo is it’s clear he can’t hit enough to play on a regular basis, on a contender. Would love to pry Bogarts away from the Sux!

[Mackus]

I think you are right Chris! Something Mike Elias said in his last interview, and my 50-year-old brain can’t remember the exact quote, seemed to intimate that they’re starting SS is not currently in the system. And, as flashy and toolsy as Mateo is it’s clear he can’t hit enough to play on a regular basis, on a contender. Would love to pry Bogarts away from the Sux!

No prying necessary, just cash. Bogaerts is a free agent after the year.

[makoman]

He's been really hot the past week or two. Now at .331/.428/.458 on the year at AAA, 143 wRC+. His ISO is a more respectable .127, I think it was under .100 when we were talking about him a while back. Would like to have him up, we'll probably have 3 new infielders next year so it will be useful to see if he might be one of them.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

He's been really hot the past week or two. Now at .331/.428/.458 on the year at AAA, 143 wRC+. His ISO is a more respectable .127, I think it was under .100 when we were talking about him a while back. Would like to have him up, we'll probably have 3 new infielders next year so it will be useful to see if he might be one of them.

Yeah I understand they like what Odor brings to the clubhouse but I think they need to get a real look at Vavra this year

[Mackus]

He's been really hot the past week or two. Now at .331/.428/.458 on the year at AAA, 143 wRC+. His ISO is a more respectable .127, I think it was under .100 when we were talking about him a while back. Would like to have him up, we'll probably have 3 new infielders next year so it will be useful to see if he might be one of them.

 

333/443/529/972 since that time we started talking about him. Only 61 PA, but that's a really good stretch.  And to emphasize what you said, nearly 200 ISO in that time so the pop is picking back up to something that feels sustainable at the next level.

[BSLChrisStoner]

So, maybe we'll just go Vavra 2nd, Henderson SS, Westburg 3rd next year. 

If that's the case, let's go with that now.

[Mackus]

I'd still like a stud SS but that's an acceptable alternative assuming the scouts think someone can handle SS.  All 3 are legit enough prospects to be given a spot and see how they do even if you're trying to win.  Would really like to see Vavra up here at least by the end of July so he can get 200+ PA so you have a better feel for if he deserves a big opportunity or should have to force his way through.  

 

Westburg and Henderson I'd like to see, but also ok with holding them back for service time reasons.  If you're expecting them to be on the Opening Day roster though, then they should be up for September at a minimum.

 

Absolutely must sign or trade for two real SP if you go with the young infielders and don't sign a big time SS.  

[NewMarketSean]

We're 5 games out of the last WC spot.

 

I know it's unlikely we come close to contending for it, but it would be nice to at least try. These guys are ready and there are holes on the MLB team they can fill. Do it now.

[BSLRoseKatz]

I'd still like a stud SS but that's an acceptable alternative assuming the scouts think someone can handle SS.  All 3 are legit enough prospects to be given a spot and see how they do even if you're trying to win.  Would really like to see Vavra up here at least by the end of July so he can get 200+ PA so you have a better feel for if he deserves a big opportunity or should have to force his way through.  

 

Westburg and Henderson I'd like to see, but also ok with holding them back for service time reasons.  If you're expecting them to be on the Opening Day roster though, then they should be up for September at a minimum.

 

Absolutely must sign or trade for two real SP if you go with the young infielders and don't sign a big time SS.  

Yeah I think signing a major SS and then including Vavra in a deal for a respectable starting pitcher is how I'd want to approach it

[BobPhelan]

Yeah I think signing a major SS and then including Vavra in a deal for a respectable starting pitcher is how I'd want to approach it

 

I'd rather trade Prieto in that scenario and keep Vavra around as a utility guy.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Called up.

[Mackus]

Oh yeah!

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Awesome. Well deserved

[BaltBird 24]

Very nice! About time!