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[You Play to Win the Game]

I think its also perspective.

 

Estimate 95K died in 2019 in the USA from the Flu.

 

So while COVID is more deadly than the FLU, we survived it better than the Spanish Flu or Black Plaque.

This pandemic has killed more than the last 5 US flu seasons combined. Not sure where you're getting that info. 

 

And we haven't survived anything yet. We've lost almost a quarter million lives, roughly 20% of the global deaths, despite having 4% of the global population. And the only reason the deaths are as low as they are, is because we did what we did from Mid-March through May. Without those measures, we'd easily be looking at around a half a million deaths at this point, based on models I've seen. 

 

So the argument that it isn't that bad, all logic is out the window, stop looking for reasons not to do things, etc... is completey flawed and BS because the only reason it's as good as it is (which is horrible FTR), is because we actually did try and beat this thing once upon a time, then gave up.

[Old Man]

This pandemic has killed more than the last 5 US flu seasons combined. Not sure where you're getting that info. 

 

And we haven't survived anything yet. We've lost almost a quarter million lives, roughly 20% of the global deaths, despite having 4% of the global population. And the only reason the deaths are as low as they are, is because we did what we did from Mid-March through May. Without those measures, we'd easily be looking at around a half a million deaths at this point, based on models I've seen. 

 

So the argument that it isn't that bad, all logic is out the window, stop looking for reasons not to do things, etc... is completey flawed and BS because the only reason it's as good as it is (which is horrible FTR), is because we actually did try and beat this thing once upon a time, then gave up.

Sorry, I consider myself a survivor, but thats my opinion.

 

This is from John Hopkins, the 2.7 mortality rate is better than about 50 other countries. I know you feel that we did horrible as a country, is in your own words, total BS and completely flawed. At least by looking at the raw data.

US 7,916,099 216,872 2.7%

66.29

[Oldtime]

This pandemic has killed more than the last 5 US flu seasons combined. Not sure where you're getting that info.

And we haven't survived anything yet. We've lost almost a quarter million lives, roughly 20% of the global deaths, despite having 4% of the global population. And the only reason the deaths are as low as they are, is because we did what we did from Mid-March through May. Without those measures, we'd easily be looking at around a half a million deaths at this point, based on models I've seen.

So the argument that it isn't that bad, all logic is out the window, stop looking for reasons not to do things, etc... is completey flawed and BS because the only reason it's as good as it is (which is horrible FTR), is because we actually did try and beat this thing once upon a time, then gave up.

Since you like numbers, states that account for 11% of the US total population account for 30% of the Covid deaths. How do you account for that?

[lballer]

95% of the 200,000 cases had on average 2.3 other underlying issues.  Whether they died with Covid or solely because of Covid is unknown.  In other words if you have Stage 4 cancer and die with Covid I believe that is counted in the 200,000.  

 

What we do know is there are millions of kids that will basically miss 1-2 years of school.  That will have dire consequences in coming years and decades that will cause many other life and death issues.

 

It's a balancing act...wear a mask, stay away from large crowds, wash your hands, have concerns for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

 

Let's be rational and use common sense.

[Oldtime]

This pandemic has killed more than the last 5 US flu seasons combined. Not sure where you're getting that info.

And we haven't survived anything yet. We've lost almost a quarter million lives, roughly 20% of the global deaths, despite having 4% of the global population. And the only reason the deaths are as low as they are, is because we did what we did from Mid-March through May. Without those measures, we'd easily be looking at around a half a million deaths at this point, based on models I've seen.

So the argument that it isn't that bad, all logic is out the window, stop looking for reasons not to do things, etc... is completey flawed and BS because the only reason it's as good as it is (which is horrible FTR), is because we actually did try and beat this thing once upon a time, then gave up.

There’s two ways to live, positive and negative. I’ll stick with being positive.

[You Play to Win the Game]

There’s two ways to live, positive and negative. I’ll stick with being positive.

There's actually only one way to live that's being alive. Which hundreds of thousands of Americans no longer are, for the most part due to selfish American behavior. But do you.

[Oldtime]

There's actually only one way to live that's being alive. Which hundreds of thousands of Americans no longer are, for the most part due to selfish American behavior. But do you.

8m positive cases out of 330m and 220k dead. As the good book says “evil will try to control you through fear”

Make good choices, wear a mask, I can’t believe we have to stress good hygiene, older generation should isolate.

[You Play to Win the Game]

8m positive cases out of 330m and 220k dead. As the good book says “evil will try to control you through fear”

Make good choices, wear a mask, I can’t believe we have to stress good hygiene, older generation should isolate.

Agree with your make good choices/wear a mask thing. At least you're not an anti-masker. And depending on the area, like Carroll County, for instance, it might make sense to try these things and see how it goes. My stance is just that the virus is so easily spread, that all it takes is one to infect many. We've seen it time and time again, and peoples lose loved ones. I'm just sick of this all and can't wait til it's all over. But I want to save as many lives as possible.

[Oldtime]

Agree with your make good choices/wear a mask thing. At least you're not an anti-masker. And depending on the area, like Carroll County, for instance, it might make sense to try these things and see how it goes. My stance is just that the virus is so easily spread, that all it takes is one to infect many. We've seen it time and time again, and peoples lose loved ones. I'm just sick of this all and can't wait til it's all over. But I want to save as many lives as possible.

What about all the alcoholism, drug addition, depression and other issues caused by lockdowns? My mother has Alzheimer’s and I haven’t been able to physically see her for 7 months. She doesn’t understand why her kids can’t visit her at her Memory care facility. Did you see the residents at a Colorado assisted care facility go out and protest? They said they’d rather die of Covid vs lonliness.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Well those who want to die that way, can. More power to them. I have a grandmother in the same situation. We actually did take her to a funeral recently, but were super cautious and safe. It was wonderful spending time with her. I'm sorry about your mom, that's not easy at all. You can do stuff like that safely. But working out together, doing sports, drawing crowds, I'm much more skeptical. And a DEFINITE no on indoors. Regardless, we have the resources to help with the mental health pandemic that existed long before this one, but we just don't. It sucks. We're talking about covid though, and sports, and what's truly necessary in a time like this when risking lives.

[BSLWillieSeanCoughlan]

Vox is highly suspect as a unbiased, reliable source.

LOL! Feel free to dispute and find any data that contradicts any of the data provided. Let’s not be lazy. Of the relatively few states (14) it mentions as starting football and not seeing spikes then - none, 6 now rank among the top 10 as having the highest positivity rates in the country, including #1 Idaho (25 percent positivity rate), #4 Iowa (17.1%), #6 Wyoming (15.5%), #7 Utah (14.7%), #9 Indiana (13.6%), and #10 Alabama (13.3%). All have more than 4 times that of the national positivity rate, rising to more than that of 8 times the national average. A seventh state among the top 10 and who also started back, #5 Kansas (16.1%), just saw one program - Olathe, have to quarantine 174 student athletes because of four of their own testing positive. An eighth, #2 South Dakota (20.6%), who is also playing, had just three cancellations through their first four weeks of football, but then had 26 cancellations over the next three weeks. Of the other two in the top 10, Wisconsin just started, so the increase in spread won’t be felt for several weeks, and Nevada isn’t playing, and from the looks of it, that’s a good thing.

[BSLWillieSeanCoughlan]

But that’s part of the problem. People who don’t feel safe coming to school are being forced to. They should have started things by asking how many teachers wanted to return and how many kids did and then you know if you can just send those that want to back and let the rest stay away. They didn’t do that and they are kind of working backwards.

It’s not that things can’t get to what you are talking about. But the plans right now are so half assed they don’t work.

That’s what many in this ‘I need football back, my life depends on it’ crowd fail to realize, that the vast majority of people in this state deem it unsafe to go back to school. Even nationally, nearly two-thirds of the people give this administration a failing grade when it comes to handling this virus. It’s one of the few areas that crosses party lines.

I happen to work in one of the relatively few public schools (Homewood) in the area that has kids back in the building. We work with kids that face unique challenges when it comes to learning, many that require therapy on a regular basis. Having said that, when parents were offered to have their child come back to school in small group learning three weeks ago, less than 25% of the parents took that offer. Though many in the ‘Football is my life’ crowd think it’s just teacher unions that feel its unsafe, the reality of the situation is that take couldn’t be more wrong.

What these school systems also know, that Joe Schmoe doesn’t, is the dozens of outbreaks that have occurred in public schools over the last six weeks, with just 5-15 people in the building.

[JeremyStrain]

That’s what many in this ‘I need football back, my life depends on it’ crowd fail to realize, that the vast majority of people in this state deem it unsafe to go back to school. Even nationally, nearly two-thirds of the people give this administration a failing grade when it comes to handling this virus. It’s one of the few areas that crosses party lines.

I happen to work in one of the relatively few public schools (Homewood) in the area that has kids back in the building. We work with kids that face unique challenges when it comes to learning, many that require therapy on a regular basis. Having said that, when parents were offered to have their child come back to school in small group learning three weeks ago, less than 25% of the parents took that offer. Though many in the ‘Football is my life’ crowd think it’s just teacher unions that feel its unsafe, the reality of the situation is that take couldn’t be more wrong.

What these school systems also know, that Joe Schmoe doesn’t, is the dozens of outbreaks that have occurred in public schools over the last six weeks, with just 5-15 people in the building.

Some of my teacher friends and I were talking about this the other night. There have been a bunch of outbreaks, just locally that we happen to know of at a bunch of different private schools around here, and some stuff JUST with staff at the local public school level, but none of that has been making the press.

 

You see all these articles that say, "hybrid education thriving with no hiccups" in so and so area (Alabama in this one case) and then I was like wait a minute...didn't I just see something about a 3rd grader dying down there that caught it at school? And the College has the largest outbreak in the country.

 

Just because someone puts out an article and says everything is fine, doesn't make it true.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Some of my teacher friends and I were talking about this the other night. There have been a bunch of outbreaks, just locally that we happen to know of at a bunch of different private schools around here, and some stuff JUST with staff at the local public school level, but none of that has been making the press.

 

You see all these articles that say, "hybrid education thriving with no hiccups" in so and so area (Alabama in this one case) and then I was like wait a minute...didn't I just see something about a 3rd grader dying down there that caught it at school? And the College has the largest outbreak in the country.

 

Just because someone puts out an article and says everything is fine, doesn't make it true.

Yeah, but Trump said that Baron felt weird for like 20 minutes and then was perfectly fine, so kids have NOTHING to worry about and need to be back in school.

[Old Man]

Yeah, but Trump said that Baron felt weird for like 20 minutes and then was perfectly fine, so kids have NOTHING to worry about and need to be back in school.

Let keep blashing Trump. I get you dont like the guy. But its getting really old.

 

Hogan has been extremely diligent with his governing of the COVID crisis for Maryland is in favor of putting the kids safely back into the schools. Trust me, he is not a puppet of Trump, they might both be Republicans, but Hogan is nobody's puppet.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Let keep blashing Trump. I get you dont like the guy. But its getting really old.

 

Hogan has been extremely diligent with his governing of the COVID crisis for Maryland is in favor of putting the kids safely back into the schools. Trust me, he is not a puppet of Trump, they might both be Republicans, but Hogan is nobody's puppet.

How is it getting old? He said that just yesterday. He keeps giving material, i'll keep using it. He's easily the worst and most harmful President we've ever had. It isn't even debatable. But sure, be tired of it.

 

BTW, are you equally as tired of bashing the rioters and BLM protestors? It didn't seem that way when you were complaining about that. So it's interesting that you have some stamina around complaining about those issues, but none when it comes to rightfully bashing the worst human to ever walk into the Oval.

[Old Man]

How is it getting old? He said that just yesterday. He keeps giving material, i'll keep using it. He's easily the worst and most harmful President we've ever had. It isn't even debatable. But sure, be tired of it.

 

BTW, are you equally as tired of bashing the rioters and BLM protestors? It didn't seem that way when you were complaining about that. So it's interesting that you have some stamina around complaining about those issues, but none when it comes to rightfully bashing the worst human to ever walk into the Oval.

Can you please tell me the last time I posted about rioters and BLM? I surely dont remember.

 

Your opinion that Trump is the worse President to walk in the Oval, is not shared by a majority of the population. There are many candidates that can lay fame to that.

 

Tricky Dicky based on fact, that he had to resign from office, should probably have a strong dishonorable mention as worse POTUS ever, but sadly if you visit history, there were several others even worse. Grant after Lincoln was pretty nortious for not knowing how to run a good white house.

 

Pretty bad, Bill Clinton is known for shagging Monica in the Oval Office, but Trump is worse than that.

 

But, we have gone way off topic here.

 

Like I said, Hogan has my respect and while I dont totally agree with his opinion to start sending kids back. Im not going to attack him as human being.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Please - that's insane, all of it. Trump's scandals are easily worse than Nixon or Clinton, combined. You can even throw in Hillary's "EMAILLLLSSSSS ZOOOMMMGGGGG" scandal in there, and it doesn't change that.

 

The difference is, hyper partisanship is now normalized, so the Republicans in Congress are taking the short view by empowering him, and in the long run it's going to end up flipping Congress to the Dems. 

 

But let's walk through this: Trump F'ed a porn star and has white house attorneys defending him in that case. This is a man who also told tabloid reporters when asked why he was cheating on Ivanka's mother, that a man of his stature shouldn't have to bang women who have had children. Class act there. While Nixon broke into the DNC - Trump collaborated with a foreign government to do much worse. Then, having learned from that mistake, temporarily withheld aid from Ukraine to get them to try and help him for this election.

 

Those are facts. That my opinion of how awful he is isn't shared by all, I wouldn't say majority, and those who don't agree says a lot about them then it does about me. He's an awful human being, that is black and white and fact.

 

If he got caught doing any of this in a different era, he would have been gone already. But never through resignation, but rather removal by Congress. 

[Old Man]

Please - that's insane, all of it. Trump's scandals are easily worse than Nixon or Clinton, combined. You can even throw in Hillary's "EMAILLLLSSSSS ZOOOMMMGGGGG" scandal in there, and it doesn't change that.

 

The difference is, hyper partisanship is now normalized, so the Republicans in Congress are taking the short view by empowering him, and in the long run it's going to end up flipping Congress to the Dems. 

 

But let's walk through this: Trump F'ed a porn star and has white house attorneys defending him in that case. This is a man who also told tabloid reporters when asked why he was cheating on Ivanka's mother, that a man of his stature shouldn't have to bang women who have had children. Class act there. While Nixon broke into the DNC - Trump collaborated with a foreign government to do much worse. Then, having learned from that mistake, temporarily withheld aid from Ukraine to get them to try and help him for this election.

 

Those are facts. That my opinion of how awful he is isn't shared by all, I wouldn't say majority, and those who don't agree says a lot about them then it does about me. He's an awful human being, that is black and white and fact.

 

If he got caught doing any of this in a different era, he would have been gone already. But never through resignation, but rather removal by Congress. 

Seal team six and Benganzi might disagree with you about Hillary.

 

Trump did not collaborate with the foreign government. That was all Hillary and Bidden to take pressure off of her and she should be in jail for treason. By the way, Hunter got rich from Ukraine and Moscow, so sure, feel free to bash Trump.

[JeremyStrain]

Yeah, but Trump said that Baron felt weird for like 20 minutes and then was perfectly fine, so kids have NOTHING to worry about and need to be back in school.

Narrative 426 in this whole mess.

 

But kids can't get it, and they don't spread it to others.

 

Common sense test...have you EVER seen ANY disease that grown humans could get but people of a certain age couldn't? And if that in theory happened, what biologically COULD even make it happen? In theory, if it were true, by taking the cells from kids, you would effectively have a cure and vaccine. Which we don't. So....yeah.

 

I mean, just here in AA county over the past month, 23% of COVID cases are 0-19. And that's without schools opening yet. So that's driven by outdoor sports and daycare.

 

I will say that Trump saying that is a personal statement and not a presidential one, but I think we all know the implications of him downplaying his supposed case, and how it's affected everyone around him would be. Not saying that maybe they didn't get something minor and it's no big deal, but I think all of us know never in a million years would he let us know how bad or hard it's been, and he knows if he went into recovery somewhere right now instead of what he's doing that it would seriously damage his campaign.

 

That's not even bashing him or anything. That's just a fact. With his position, and things that have been said and happened, if he were to get a serious case right now and have to live it out under media scrutiny, it would be really damaging to all the things he's said in the past. It'd be like if a guy was talking about how flying is super safe, and we shouldn't be afraid to do it, then he gets on the plane and it crashes. Even if you know the statistics, in the back of your head you'd always be like...what are the ODDS of that?