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[You Play to Win the Game]

They seem to be struggling with non-Uber prospects.

[BSLRoseKatz]

Just because I wanted to check: last year his actual promotion (not the random Toronto series because of Santander being unvaxxed) was game 119 and from there he started 22 out of 44 games or exactly 50%. Since then the roster replaced Odor with Frazier and Chirinos with McCann and he's gotten 1 start out of 8 games on the roster which is 12.5%. 

[BSLSteveBirrer]

There’s also the reality that when talking about prospects, most of them just aren’t going to pan out. It’s ridiculously hard to break through at this level. This is frustrating though.

No player ever in the history of baseball broke through until they were given a chance to play. Stowers hasn't been given a chance yet.

[BSLChrisStoner]

He will go back, get regular abs...the ML roster will sort itself out...if he's crushing AAA, he will come back up and play regularly or he will be used as a piece to get something they need.

[You Play to Win the Game]

He will go back, get regular abs...the ML roster will sort itself out...if he's crushing AAA, he will come back up and play regularly or he will be used as a piece to get something they need.

Or he will come back up and continue to sit. Definitely 100% an option here. It’d in fact be the leading option IMO.

[makoman]

There’s also the reality that when talking about prospects, most of them just aren’t going to pan out. It’s ridiculously hard to break through at this level. This is frustrating though.

While true, often you at least get a chance to fail. Last year he struck out a bit too much probably but was otherwise an average-ish to mildly above ML hitter. Even while being "protected" by completely ignoring his career reverse splits. And as has been said, not like he's got a bunch of all stars in front of him stopping him from playing several days a week.

[BSLRoseKatz]

He had a 104 OPS+ and 107 wRC+ so basically any source you'll find says he was a slightly above-average hitter, which is I think is pretty solid when you're a rookie

[BSLMikeLowe]

If he rakes down there at least he ought to have some good trade value, as I imagine most ML teams will see how badly mismanaged he was and assume he just needs a fresh start in an organization that wants to give him a chance.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

What I don't get and somebody really needs to ask Hyde about this directly AGAIN.

Mullins .189 37 at bats
Santander .194 36 at bats
Hayes .233 30 at bats
Vavra .111 9 at bats
McKenna .286 7 at bats

Those are the guys Stowers is competing against for at bats. He has 4 at bats so basically half what the other two fewest have. Its not like any of these guys are knocking the cover off the ball. WTH????

[BaltBird 24]

Stowers isn't in the Henderson, Adley, Grayson, or Jackson class.... but he's a top 100 or borderline top 100 prospect. Should tell you what you'll see when Westburg, Ortiz, Norby, etc finally get their chance.

Those guys don't stand a chance against Frazier or Urias.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Well perhaps he'll be back up after the A's series?

 

But Hyde is full of it with respect to how they are handling Stowers.

 

Called up last year on June 13th....got a whopping 90 at bats.

Hyde said today "he's still young." Ok well get with this century. He's 24 not 21 even. Good grief.

[BaltBird 24]

Hays or Santander will play their way out of the line-up eventually. Probably Hays. He can only survive off the past hype for so long.

[SonicAttack]

The only sense I can make of Stowers being sent down is that Elias is trying to get Vavra, Hayes, McKenna, some positive trade capital.  Or maybe he is trying to get some trade interest in Stowers by hoping he rakes in AAA.  IDK, but one (or more) of these players are going to be gone by the trade deadline.  Shoot, the only untouchable batters are Adley and Gunner IMO, the rest are open for trades.  I am falling a bit for Frazier right now.  

Norby and O'Hearn are tearing up AAA, Westburg is ready for his chance. Cowser and Heston need to start showing off in AAA.  

[BaltBird 24]

Won't get much of anything for Vavra or McKenna. They are role players.

Hays is close to entering that is what he is stage. Average bat with extended hot and cold streaks and declining defense. Should've sold high on him a year or two ago.

Probably wouldn't get much for Santander, either, or he'd be gone.

[dude]

Stowers was always going to be stuck between the guys ahead of him on the ML roster (Hays, Mullins, Santander) and the sexier prospects behind him (Cowser, Kjerstad....'rebuilding' picks)

 

He's not going to increase his trade value at this point because the Orioles already blew it.  They've now sent him to AAA and every team in MLB understands the crunch.  So you keep burning options (until he doesn't have one) and he sits behind everyone else lamenting that he didn't get a real chance or you trade him at 40 cents on the dollar (today, value getting worse over time).

 

There were a number of teams that could have made sense before the season....but they've moved to stash mode.

 

You can't keep everyone.  You can't play everyone.  That's true at several other positions that we act like somehow 'everyone' gets to add their value.  They don't . Only the guy playing adds value, the rest of the guys put up numbers in the minors and get lauded on OTV (fine, it's prospects).

 

Everyone isn't playing the OF.  Everyone isn't pitching.  Everyone isn't playing 2B or SS.  Your decisions don't get better or more informed over time, they are just different decisions. 

 

Rules of ML don't just allow you to keep everyone indefinitely. 

 

He's entering the meaningless depth category and he's not alone.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

His value is the same as it has been for awhile. This thought that theyve blown some value with him is just wrong. Everyone has a good idea of what Kyle Stowers is. If he proves himself he will gain more value. Hes not gonna lose any anytime soon. He will get an opportunity somewhere. Maybe he goes in a package later this year as the 2nd or 3rd piece. Or a spot will open up in Baltimore and he will sink or swim. But to think the Os missed the boat at this point is off.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

His value is the same as it has been for awhile. This thought that theyve blown some value with him is just wrong. Everyone has a good idea of what Kyle Stowers is. If he proves himself he will gain more value. Hes not gonna lose any anytime soon. He will get an opportunity somewhere. Maybe he goes in a package later this year as the 2nd or 3rd piece. Or a spot will open up in Baltimore and he will sink or swim. But to think the Os missed the boat at this point is off.

Already said this but he can't prove himself if he doesn't get to play. More at bats in the minors isn't going to prove anything more than what teams already know. He can hit AAA pitching. At this point the only way he is going to increase his value is if the O's actually play him. And I don't get why they don't. Not like anybody in front of him is doing so great.

[Mike B]

Already said this but he can't prove himself if he doesn't get to play. More at bats in the minors isn't going to prove anything more than what teams already know. He can hit AAA pitching. At this point the only way he is going to increase his value is if the O's actually play him. And I don't get why they don't. Not like anybody in front of him is doing so great.

I agree, Stowers IMO has been mismanaged, and I do not mean just by Hyde.  

We are carrying Anthony Bemboom on the roster and he will likely only play if either Adley or McCann leave a game early.  Our bench, consists of McKenna, Vavra, McCann and whatever infielder is not playing.  That is a weak bench and not using Stowers or keeping one of the left handed hitting first baseman that was in the spring, does not make a lot of sense

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Already said this but he can't prove himself if he doesn't get to play. More at bats in the minors isn't going to prove anything more than what teams already know. He can hit AAA pitching. At this point the only way he is going to increase his value is if the O's actually play him. And I don't get why they don't. Not like anybody in front of him is doing so great.

He can prove himself somewhere. This org or another. He will get a chance. In the meantime his value has stalled,not dropped, as dude is trying to sell.

[BaltBird 24]

Santander or most likely Hays won't last the season.