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[BobPhelan]

I don't have an especially strong stance on Hyde, mostly because the lineups, bullpen management, and other strategic decision making is primarily him acting as an extension of the front office. What's left is what we see during games and what we mostly don't see the rest of the time. I agree that it would be nice to see him show more fire during games, but I am not sure how much that matters. I have to assume that he's strong with the behind-the-scenes stuff based on the results and what we hear about him and the great on field results, but that could be misguided or perhaps that perceived strength is waning in effectiveness. That last part of his job is the most important part imo since he is not empowered on the strategic side nearly as much as us older fans are accustomed to seeing.

+1

[BSLRoseKatz]

Yeah I also hold that position, any manager is basically going to be following a flow chart/spreadsheet/etc from Elias where the difference for in-game decision making will be pretty tiny. I think the fact himself and guys like Santander/Mullins/Hays/etc successfully washed off the stink of 2019-2021 they were a part to get to where they are now is pretty impressive, especially considering the Astros and Cubs both made manager swaps when they thought it was time to flip the switch to contend during their rebuilds

[BSLRoseKatz]

I will say that if they do decide Hyde is gone I would bet anyone a soda at the game it won't be an external move and I'd be floored if it wasn't just promoting Buck Britton 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

All of you are entilted to be wrong. 

[Pedro Cerrano]

If this season goes south I’ll be holding Elias a lot more accountable than Hyde

[BSLSteveBirrer]

If this season goes south I’ll be holding Elias a lot more accountable than Hyde

If the O's play like they are sleep walking tomorrow it's all on Elias if he doesn't make a change.

[BaltBird 24]

Hyde isn't getting fired. Freddi Gonzalez isn't taking over.

Really no major changes that can be made- just need the entire collection of players to break out of their slump.

[Mackus]

Hyde isn't getting fired. Freddi Gonzalez isn't taking over.

Really no major changes that can be made- just need the entire collection of players to break out of their slump.

Pitching changes can and should be made. Could pursue external offensive additions, but I wouldn't. I think the same guys who've been the #1 offense all year will figure it out, plus we've got Mayo and Holliday due to join soon. If you're really pessimistic on Cowser and Mullins then a CF makes sense but that's the extent of the offensive possibilities.

[BaltBird 24]

I'd be open to CF options, but that's realistically your only true weak spot once they figure out 2B. Doubt they trust Mayo's defense at 3B much or he'd probably already be here. Maybe Holliday will be up soon.

Definitely need help on the pitching side, but Elias has never been one to make panic moves.

[Mackus]

Definitely need help on the pitching side, but Elias has never been one to make panic moves.

I can't imagine him not adding a SP and a RP but I can imagine him not adding two of each and not adding a quality of each that I'll be happy with. Big decisions for him coming up over the next couple weeks. Don't think the team's record in the interim is a factor at all. We're absolutely good enough to win the division and win the World Series, so need to add to support those efforts. Don't need to go all in though, and the amount of gray area in the middle will be where Elias has to balance his long term vs short term scope. To date he's mostly been 100% long term, except for the Burnes trade.

[dude]

Winning is actually hard.  The fact that it hasn't been so hard, that the Orioles set a modern record for not getting swept in a series without major outside additions (other than Burnes this year) that they still have one of the best records in MLB shows you how important the non-Talent portion of Performance is.

 

Getting the Team - whatever Team he's given - to show up and play well is Hyde's job.  As others have said, everything else is likely laid out in some detail.

 

I've said this a lot, but I don't really like the way the Team is set up right now.  I'm not going to say it can't work because they're still at the top of the League in RS, but I'd suggest that's true not because of the strategy, but in spite of it.  I'm not going to say the approach is causal to the recent struggles, but hitting is hard and when everyone wants to bee part of the answer but nobody knows anything until you get to the office, I think it can certainly be a recipe for struggles.

 

Teams slump, so nothing has to be specifically causal.  After not getting swept in 125 straight series we've now been swept 3 times (STL, HOU, CHC) and on the verge of another. So show up tomorrow and Earn the day.

 

It would be nice if the FO acted like they ever cared.  You don't have to move to win, but given all of the complexity of winning, sometimes it would be great to look around and feel like the top of the Organization cares about the results as much as the guys in the Dugout have shown they do.  Sometimes it's good to trust your guys.  Sometimes you need to prove you can act.

 

Hyde is fine.  Win tomorrow.

[RichardZ]

I thought Knute Rockne was dead.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Hyde has lost this team. Pull the trigger now

[RichardZ]

Hyde has lost this team. Pull the trigger now

It’s called a slump. Even good teams have them. Your comments are over the top silly. Come back to earth before it’s too late.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its inexcusable how he and this team handled yesterday. They just bent over and took it and thats the one thing everyone wanted to give him credit for doing. Everyone sees he is a horrible in game manager but people hung their heads on thinking he is some clubhouse magician. Hes not. He just never has had to face real pressure and intensity and hes failing in every way now that he has it. Fredi G should be taking over the team immediately. I said it a month or so ago. The biggest move the Os can make at this deadline is getting rid of Hyde.

[RichardZ]

Its inexcusable how he and this team handled yesterday. They just bent over and took it and thats the one thing everyone wanted to give him credit for doing. Everyone sees he is a horrible in game manager but people hung their heads on thinking he is some clubhouse magician. Hes not. He just never has had to face real pressure and intensity and hes failing in every way now that he has it. Fredi G should be taking over the team immediately. I said it a month or so ago. The biggest move the Os can make at this deadline is getting rid of Hyde.

Sounds like they ruined your week. Almost sounds like you’re having a tantrum. What are your feelings on GRod? I guess Hyde didn’t properly motivate him before yesterday’s game.

Your take is embarrassingly poor.

[RichardZ]

The 1979 Orioles had a commanding 3-1 lead in the WS and led the Pirates 1-0 after 5 innings. They proceeded to get out scored 15-1 and lose the last three games.

Earl Weavers teams lost 3 World Series and got bounced from the playoffs in 73 and 74. He had winning teams from 1971-1982 but never won the big one in that time.

His team in 1979, by your standards, CHOKED/QUIT. I’m going to guess you, 2035, consider him one of the best managers of all time.

Now we have Hyde who took a team no one thought had a chance to a winning record in 2022. A team in 2023 to unprecedented improvement over that 2022 team. Now in 2024, when many thought the team would backslide because of their unrepeatable record in one run games and hitting with runners in scoring position last season, has them on a 100 win pace. That’s the guy you want to fire after a 5-game losing streak?

Get real!

[Mackus]

I think Hyde is a pretty weak tactician but the recent complaints are hard to take seriously. I'm glad they didn't throw at anyone yesterday and hope the don't today. That's not a type of baseball I enjoy and I don't think it'd be good for anything aside from giving a free baserunner and make it harder to win.

Not throwing at them didn't stop us from beating them the last series. Beat the crap out of them that last game. I think anyone suggesting that the team sucked yesterday because Hyde didn't want to throw at them is not thinking logically.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

This team needs a new leader. Its undeniable. No way the baseball version of John Harbaugh lays down for the Yankees. Im not a manager/coach is always the problem type of guy. I am a supporter of Harbaugh. I was a supporter of Billick. I was a huge supporter of Buck. I supported Turge until the last few years. Hyde is  not the guy to take this team to te next level and if we waste 2025 and beyond on him it's just throwing away prime window years of contention. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

BTW Phelan linked a thread yesterday and Os are still 3rd worst in baseball in getting bent over by the umps. Missed calls by umps. A's by far the worst, then Stros, then O's. Pretty big gap down to the 4th worst team. Guardians, Yanks, and Mariners way ahead in getting favorable calls. Hyde does not fight for his team. He acted like he wanted some Fri after Kjersted got git and the Yanks kept chirping but was easily held back by the Yanks C. Boone then gave him an earful and he backed away from confrontation. Did nothing yesterday. The players have to be losing faith in him and it showed yesterday. A lifeless team last night. Their brother gets hit in the head and sent to the IL and no one does a damn thing about it.