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[BSLSteveBirrer]

This whole managing like a playoff game is quite overblown IMO. How else would any manager do things in that situation? They have 4 days off so its not like he had to save his relief guys. Now again I think what he did was correct. But not giving him extra credit for doing what I think most any manager would do in that situation.

[BaltBird 24]

It wasn't an absolute desperation must win game (except for us in the game thread), but he managed it correctly. Got Kremer out when he was possibly on the verge of imploding and got his best high leverage arms in the game.

[weird-O]

Then you haven' been following very closely. Several of us have voiced significant concerns with Hyde going back to last season.

That's probably it. I don't follow the game threads, and I'm guessing that's where most of the criticisms are made. So I'll take back my comment. 

[Mackus]

This whole managing like a playoff game is quite overblown IMO. How else would any manager do things in that situation? They have 4 days off so its not like he had to save his relief guys. Now again I think what he did was correct. But not giving him extra credit for doing what I think most any manager would do in that situation.

 

I don't think he pulls Kremer if it wasn't the Yankees (direct competition for 1st) and the team wasn't on a losing skid (mentality), even with the pending off days and fresh bullpen.  If we'd won 2-of-3 from Chicago and were playing the Blue Jays after splitting the first two games, then Kremer gets a chance to finish the 5th and likely comes out for the 6th.  So don't agree that it was the only reasonable choice and that he shouldn't be given credit for managing it well.  Also think that's an unfair mindset anyway.  It's a lose-only proposition if he can't ever get credit for making choices that work, because they must've been obvious, and only gets criticism for things that go wrong, because they must've been stupid.  Things are rarely that black-and-white (and weren't yesterday). It's almost entirely shades of gray which is why there are discussions here about what we would do in a given situation.  

[BSLRoseKatz]

Assessing managers vs players is always tricky because none of us really can confidently say how good any other team's manager is because it requires a ton of context that you can't view just from checking stats. Name any other manager you think does a good job and I'm sure you can find fans on their forum saying he doesn't play rookies enough, relies on platoons too much, misuses the bullpen, etc lol

[weird-O]

If I may ask, what are the criticisms about Hyde? 

 

I know I saw a comment that he isn't fiery enough. I've seen him yell at umpires plenty of times. If the complaint is that he doesn't run onto the field, flail his arms about, scream, cuss, kick dirt on home plate, and put his finger a coat of paint away from the umpire's nose, then I have to disagree. All that over the top demonstrative stuff does nothing more than to get the crowd to cheer a manager on to his ejection.  

[Mackus]

My complain is general in-game tactics.  I think he's pretty bad in that regard.  That's a wide net of primarily bullpen management but also strategy and subbing offensively.  I find myself questioning why he's doing something the way he is a lot more often than I think he makes choices that I really liked. 

 

I try to separate results with the decision-making.  For example I still don't like how he used Burch and Akin on Friday trailing by 2 rather than higher leverage arms.  He was obviously saving the higher leverage guys in case we got it close again or if we needed them the next day, but I didn't like that because we wouldn't know if we need them the next day (turns out we didn't) and I wanted the best chance of keeping the game tight in case we could come back.  Turns out the scrubby RP kept the game tight, but didn't matter because offense couldn't do anything.  But it working out well doesn't make me think the decision was any wiser.  On the other hand, I do like how he handled the relievers yesterday even though the culmination of his plan led to Kimbrel imploding.  Still good choices, IMO.

[RichardZ]

My complain is general in-game tactics.  I think he's pretty bad in that regard.  That's a wide net of primarily bullpen management but also strategy and subbing offensively.  I find myself questioning why he's doing something the way he is a lot more often than I think he makes choices that I really liked. 
 
I try to separate results with the decision-making.  For example I still don't like how he used Burch and Akin on Friday trailing by 2 rather than higher leverage arms.  He was obviously saving the higher leverage guys in case we got it close again or if we needed them the next day, but I didn't like that because we wouldn't know if we need them the next day (turns out we didn't) and I wanted the best chance of keeping the game tight in case we could come back.  Turns out the scrubby RP kept the game tight, but didn't matter because offense couldn't do anything.  But it working out well doesn't make me think the decision was any wiser.  On the other hand, I do like how he handled the relievers yesterday even though the culmination of his plan led to Kimbrel imploding.  Still good choices, IMO.

Yeah, but that’s managing 101. Every manager uses his “B” relievers when the team is losing and the “A” relievers when protecting a lead. You might not like it but, virtually, every manager in baseball would do the same thing.

[1970]

I personally don’t think there’s much difference in how any manager does things in today’s game (yep, get off my lawn!).  Today’s managers are pushing the buttons as prescribed by the front office.  I’ve now seen a couple of times where someone said Fredi Gonzalez should be the manager.  A lot of Braves fans will tell you he couldn’t have gotten fired soon enough, so be careful what you ask for.  Also, if you don’t like Hyde’s in-game decisions, who do you think he’s leaning on for advice?

[mweb08]

In game tactics are largely driven by the organization.

[russsnyder]

In game tactics are largely driven by the organization.

I firmly believe this is true as well.

Further, with the advancement of analytics in baseball, I doubt there's very much managing on hunches or feel anymore.