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[mweb08]

I have a hard time penalizing guys like Manny and Sheff beyond the point where they would have a better case if they simply DH'd. So their bad D should be factored in, but if their offense was good enough to make the HOF if they were a DH,I'd vote for them, at least if the ballot wasn't limited.

[SportsGuy]

Some jerk voted for 3 guys..Vlad, Hoffman and Vizquel.

[DJ MC]

Posnanski: Like it or not: A case for Bonds, Clemens

 

These arguments are so tired and static that they are not even arguments anymore. Arguments suggest that there can be some movement, that there is middle ground to be found. There's no middle ground here.

[MDtransplant757]

How MLB does their HOF voting is retarded. It should literally be a fan vote. That's it. 

[DJ MC]

How MLB does their HOF voting is retarded. It should literally be a fan vote. That's it. 

 

Sure. That would definitely fix things.

[Nigel Tufnel]

How MLB does their HOF voting is retarded. It should literally be a fan vote. That's it. 

 

Counterpoint: fans are idiots.

[SportsGuy]

How MLB does their HOF voting is retarded. It should literally be a fan vote. That's it.

No it shouldn’t.

[BSLChrisStoner]

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[SportsGuy]

Take this guys vote away:

 

Mike Wilner‏Verified account @Wilnerness590

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Mike Wilner Retweeted Jason

Yeah, he was a really good pitcher. I'm taking the @SNJeffBlair prerogative on Mussina - not voting because there's too much not to like about him as a person.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Take this guys vote away:

 

Mike Wilner‏Verified account @Wilnerness590

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Mike Wilner Retweeted Jason

Yeah, he was a really good pitcher. I'm taking the @SNJeffBlair prerogative on Mussina - not voting because there's too much not to like about him as a person.

 

This is so bad. 

[mweb08]

What's the story there? I haven't heard much that would make me think he'd lose votes because he's a bad person.

 

Of course that shouldn't be reason to withold a vote anyway.

[SportsGuy]

What's the story there? I haven't heard much that would make me think he'd lose votes because he's a bad person.

 

Of course that shouldn't be reason to withold a vote anyway.

No, he was a prick to a lot of people.  But its not like he was a "bad person".  Just more of an ego maniac who could have been nicer to people.  Wasn't an overly friendly guy.

 

Now, Olney defended him and said that wasnt the case but I know others who had similar thoughts about him as this voter does.

[mweb08]

No, he was a prick to a lot of people.  But its not like he was a "bad person".  Just more of an ego maniac who could have been nicer to people.  Wasn't an overly friendly guy.

 

Now, Olney defended him and said that wasnt the case but I know others who had similar thoughts about him as this voter does.

 

I heard that he could be difficult, but nothing that should approach "Screw him, I'm never voting for him" status. 

 

Regardless, that's not how voting should work. 

[SportsGuy]

I heard that he could be difficult, but nothing that should approach "Screw him, I'm never voting for him" status. 

 

Regardless, that's not how voting should work. 

100% agree.

 

Its an absurd opinion.

 

Im not being hyperbolic when I say he should lose his vote.  If you are literally deciding his fate in that way, you shouldn't have the honor of voting at all.

[BSLChrisStoner]

SI: The Nine Players I Voted for on my 2018 Hall of Fame Ballot

[SBTarheel]

BSL road trip for Mussina next year?? 

 

Let's go! 

[BSLChrisStoner]

ESPN: ESPN's 2018 Hall of Fame ballot
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[SBTarheel]

I'm predicting Chipper, and two guys who finished their careers as Orioles, Thome and Vlad. 

 

Hoffman, Edgar, Mussina, and Rivera next year. 

[DJ MC]

I'm predicting Chipper, and two guys who finished their careers as Orioles, Thome and Vlad.

Hoffman, Edgar, Mussina, and Rivera next year.

Hoffman is at 78% and last year was 1+% better on the non-public ballots. It would be a hell of a shock if he didn't make it, I think.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Zone Coverage: Class Announced
https://zonecoverage...lass-announced/

 

 

 

This year’s class — which’ll be inducted over the July 27-30 weekend — includes:

• 97.2 percent – 3B/OF Chipper Jones (410 votes, first year)
• 92.9 percent – OF Vladimir Guerrero (392 votes, second year)
• 89.8 percent – 1B/3B/DH Jim Thome (379 votes, first year)
• 79.9 percent – Trevor Hoffman (337 votes, third year)

Edgar Martinez (297 votes, 70.4 percent), Mike Mussina (268 votes, 63.5 percent), Roger Clemens (242 votes, 57.3 percent) and Barry Bonds (238 votes, 56.4 percent) were the next four closest players to enshrinement, and all had numbers indicative of strong future cases.

 

@baseball_ref

Here's how the percentages shifted for returning players who are still unelected:
Walker - +12.2
Edgar - +11.8
Mussina - +11.7
Schilling - +6.2
Clemens - +3.2
Bonds - +2.6
McGriff - +1.5
Wagner - +0.9
Sosa - -0.8
Manny - -1.8
Kent - -2.2
Sheffield - -2.2