Not sure what you are looking at in terms of Brock's defense. His defensive numbers do jump off the BB-ref page, but they jump off in the negative direction. dWAR of -17. Total Zone runs against average, which you mention, of -51. Had a positive number in that category from 63-68, but negative the other 13 of his 19 years.
Fair enough. He was great defensively some years in his prime and then there was a steep drop off. Given the hits he racked up in a pitchers era and the number of steals, he's probably a low end HOFer. At the time, 3,000 hits is automatic enshrinement. 500 homers used to be.
I'm not trying to call Raines a bad player. He good. There are definitely some guys in the hall who shouldn't be. As is anything where there is vote, some things will be be disagreed upon unless the vote is 100% to 0% which hasn't happend yet. Doesn't mean we need to add more.
Since you guys don't agree with Brock, doesn't mean you have to have Raines since he was better. Same reason we don't agree with Sutter being in. Doesn't mean that since he's there I have to put Hoffman, Wagner, Lee Smith in there.
So is Kenny Lofton a Hall of Famer? Is Scott Rolen if we want to look stricly at WAR since it solves all debates by my encompassing everything?
If Scott Rolen and Kenny Lofton are HOFers it definitely becomes the Hall of pretty good. It's what I was saying last night. Where does it stop if you keep going with "well because this guy is in, this guy should be."? If Brock is in then Lofton should be, right? If Lofton is in Lenny Dyksta should be. If Dykstra is in Johnny Damon should be. If Damon is in Torii Hunter should be one day. Where does it end if you keep putting in good but not the best players? Nick Markakis?
There have been guys elected that shouldn't be. Nothing we can do about that, except elect only the absolute best players going forward.