Maybe Frank grabbed a bat and told them to quit screwing around?
Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:33 PM
Maybe Frank grabbed a bat and told them to quit screwing around?
"The only change is that baseball has turned Paige from a second-class citizen to a second-class immortal." - Satchel Paige
Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:34 PM
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:37 PM
Weber has sunk his teeth in. I love it.
When someone starts talking about players like Mussina, Schilling, and Raines somehow making the HOF the Hall of Very Good, and at the same time, talk up guys like Dawson, Molitor, and especially Brock, then yeah, that gets me going.
The HOF is easily one of the sports topics I'm most passionate about.
Love talking about it and of course, I don't mind a good debate or two or one hundred from time to time.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:38 PM
To be fair to the team, when you are willingly calling yourself the "White Sox" it's pretty difficult to get a good color scheme together. Either you go all-white and people hate it, or you add in other colors and people complain that it doesn't make sense to use black, or blue, or red. Same about finding a good logo. And, at least they've been willing to try.
That said, they've had 115 years to figure it out
Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:57 PM
When someone starts talking about players like Mussina, Schilling, and Raines somehow making the HOF the Hall of Very Good, and at the same time, talk up guys like Dawson, Molitor, and especially Brock, then yeah, that gets me going.
The HOF is easily one of the sports topics I'm most passionate about.
Love talking about it and of course, I don't mind a good debate or two or one hundred from time to time.
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
Posted 07 January 2016 - 08:03 PM
You do love a good debate. You'd be a good trial lawyer assuming you could avoid being held in contempt.
I'm actually generally a very calm person. I don't think being a trial lawyer would generally bring out that side of me.
I also know how to control my emotions in a professional setting pretty well. Afterall, I've somehow managed to survive over a year teaching in Baltimore.
But say you can't be a top 5 player in NBA history without 4 ringz and I lose my shit.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 08:34 PM
I said later on I would only write in the top 7 given a vote. Given 10 options those are my 10. Raines. Just missing the cut at 8.
OK, well you've also said some negative things about Mussina and Schilling.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 08:58 PM
Jordan, Magic, Shaq, Russell, Kobe.I'm actually generally a very calm person. I don't think being a trial lawyer would generally bring out that side of me.
I also know how to control my emotions in a professional setting pretty well. Afterall, I've somehow managed to survive over a year teaching in Baltimore.
But say you can't be a top 5 player in NBA history without 4 ringz and I lose my shit.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:18 PM
Jordan, Magic, Shaq, Russell, Kobe.
Don't get Pedro started.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:21 PM
Don't get Pedro started.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:23 PM
Who. Me.
Don't get Pedro started.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:26 PM
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:39 PM
I dont think you value grit and winning enough.Bill Russell is the Lou Brock of the NBA.
Most overrated athlete maybe in sports' history.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:42 PM
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:49 PM
I dont think you value grit and winning enough.
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:49 PM
Oh well blue collars and lunch pails aren't for everyone
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:53 PM
Posted 08 January 2016 - 12:29 AM
You do love a good debate. You'd be a good trial lawyer assuming you could avoid being held in contempt.
Posted 08 January 2016 - 10:14 AM
In law, precedent matters and is consistently referenced.
The same principle applies to the Hall of Fame.
Posted 08 January 2016 - 10:18 AM
No it doesn't.
One is a set of rules laid out for the court system and the other is a museum to honor the game of baseball. Your making a Shack argument, comparing apples and oranges. But even those are more closely related than our legal system and the HOF.
Not putting Raines in is not a violation of his constitutional rights.
If anything the Hall is full of distingushing cases because each players case is very different given so many variables and numbers in the game of baseball. That's probably even a stretch trying to compare the Hall to our legal system.
In the case of Raines vs. BBWAA 2016, based on precedent in the eight cases of Raines vs. BBWAA 2008 through 2015, Raines is still not a HOFer.
However....I'm willing admit that he gets in in 2017. Last year on the ballot, he's close enough he'll get a few more votes to get in. You'll get your wish. Rub it in my face. Whatever.
I'd rather raise the bar. Or to be honest, the bar is fine right where it is given the class just elected. Steroid users aside. You would rather elect a class of 27 guys based on bad precedent. You even made a case for Scott Rolen for god sake.
To each their own. I'm moving on.
If you raise the bar, Raines is still deserving.
I think there are guys that are in that shouldn't be. Those aren't the players that I'm using to compare Raines favorably to. Raines compares favorably to many guys who deserve to be in the Hall of Fame even with a higher bar.
You mentioned several guys before, like Andre Dawson, who deserve to be in. I agree Dawson is a Hall of Fame player. I think Tim Raines was as good of a player, better in fact. It's not lowering the bar from where it is, or even where it should be, to elect Raines.
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