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#301 Icterus galbula

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:34 PM

Raines is the new Blyleven...

Do we ever find out who voted against Jr.?

On the old BBWAA website you could click on every voters name and see their ballot. Don't know if that will be the case on their more modern one.

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:40 PM

Dawson took 9 years before being voted in, which according to Mike should probably mean he wasn't worthy, right?



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:47 PM

My Ballot, in order

 

Griffey

Bonds

Clemens

Bagwell

Piazza

Mussina

Schilling

Raines

L.Smith

Hoffman

 

Considering Mike posted this earlier, it's a little confusing how we got to this point. :D


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#304 Mackus

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:49 PM

Dammit, we convinced him days ago before even making the case for Raines and he just forgot!

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:52 PM

Considering Mike posted this earlier, it's a little confusing how we got to this point. :D

 

I'm waiting to hear the explanation... it's Creativity Time  ;-)


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:02 PM

BTW, Raines is 64th in career offensive WAR. There are about to be 142 position players in the HOF.

 

Only 4 eligible players rank above him that haven't made the Hall: Dick Allen (barely), Bagwell, Sheffield, and Bonds. Besides Allen, all of those guys have PED stains and two of them played really bad defense (Sheffield and allegedly Allen). Allen's resume also suffers from a lack of longevity and durability along with mediocre counting numbers.


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:06 PM

The media hated Dick Allen more than Erik Bedard. That's why he's not in.
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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:08 PM

The media hated Dick Allen more than Erik Bedard. That's why he's not in.

 

Good to know.

 

Those other things I listed had to play a big factor too. Back then there was even more of an emphasis on the counting numbers, which he lacks in a big way. He was also a big OBP guy, which the voters didn't collectively care much about back then. 

 

The media did vote him MVP in 1972 for whatever that's worth.



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:11 PM

The media hated Dick Allen more than Erik Bedard. That's why he's not in.

 

This is true... he was uppity before people realized uppity was mainly a racial slur... plus, he changed his first name, which for some reason annoyed the hell out of people...


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:15 PM

My Ballot, in order

Griffey
Bonds
Clemens
Bagwell
Piazza
Mussina
Schilling
Raines
L.Smith
Hoffman


Considering Mike posted this earlier, it's a little confusing how we got to this point. :D


I said later on I would only write in the top 7 given a vote. Given 10 options those are my 10. Raines. Just missing the cut at 8.
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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:15 PM

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Can someone explain to me what the hell was going on with those White Sox uniforms??

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:17 PM

I said later on I would only write in the top 7 given a vote. Given 10 options those are my 10. Raines. Just missing the cut at 8.

 

OK, well you've also said some negative things about Mussina and Schilling.



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:17 PM

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Can someone explain to me what the hell was going on with those White Sox uniforms??

 

Very weird color scheme for them. 



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:22 PM

Weber has sunk his teeth in. I love it.

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:25 PM

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Can someone explain to me what the hell was going on with those White Sox uniforms??

 

It was the 70s, man. They were smoking all kinds of crazy stuff back then. Just ask Shack ;)

 

Want to have some fun? Here are the Sox uniforms from 1970 to 1990: http://exhibits.base...ar&increment=18


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:27 PM

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Can someone explain to me what the hell was going on with those White Sox uniforms??

 

The White Sox have a long-standing uniform problem... you don't have to look hard to find crimes against design...

 

Plus, they've never had a decent logo....


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:29 PM

I like the Frank Thomas era uniforms with pinstripes. I don't care if it's a Raiders/Yankees ripoff. Badass.

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:29 PM

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:30 PM

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The shorts are there to take your eyes off the collar....


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:31 PM

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