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[mweb08]

MLB Network covered did a show on the top 10 for every position. That featured Brian Kenny (recent guest of Sports Tonight), a projection system (not sure specifically what goes into this) called The Shredder, Bill James, and one MLBN analyst that played that position or a similar one.

 

Rob and I have also been doing our top 10's on the show.

 

I'll post the lists in this thread.

 

I'll start with catcher:

 

Me: 

1. Posey

2. Molina

3. Lucroy

4. Gomes

5. Perez

6. McCann

7. Wieters

8. Castro

9. Martin

10. Ramos

 

Rob:

1. Posey

2. Molina

3. Perez

4. McCann

5. Wieters

6. Lucroy

7. Castro

8. Martin

9. Gomes

10. Salty

 

Kenny: 1. Posey 2. Molina 3. Santana (we didn't list him at C) 4. McCann 5. Perez 6. Lucroy 7. Castro 8. Ruiz 9. Martin 10. Montero

 

Shredder: 1. Molina 2. Posey 3. Perez 4. Santana 5. Castro 6. Lucroy 7. Ruiz 8. Montero 9. Rosario 10. Ramos

 

Dave Valle: 1. Molina 2. Perez 3. Posey 4. Wieters 5. Ramos 6. Martin 7. McCann 8. Ellis 9. Lucroy 10 Castro

[SBTarheel]

These shows were frustrating to watch, they never really gave a good explanation on "the shredder", yet the Shredder top 10 was the focus of each show.

 

There was a glaring omission on the Right Field one that almost made me not watch any more of the shows.

[mweb08]

These shows were frustrating to watch, they never really gave a good explanation on "the shredder", yet the Shredder top 10 was the focus of each show.
 
There was a glaring omission on the Right Field one that almost made me not watch any more of the shows.

What omission?

And I thought the shows were good even though I agree that a more thorough explanation of the Shredder would have been nice.

[SBTarheel]

What omission?

And I thought the shows were good even though I agree that a more thorough explanation of the Shredder would have been nice.

Jay Bruce. i was stunned he wasn't even on the list. i think Bill James had him #2 or 3..Wieters as well. John Hart had him #3, and he wasn't on the Shredders list at all.

 

Brandon Phillips was another one.

[mweb08]

Well I think those are pretty easily defensible. Especially Phillips.

[SBTarheel]

Well I think those are pretty easily defensible. Especially Phillips.

Maybe Phillips, but not Bruce..I can't remember the list off the top of my head, but I had Bruce much higher.

[mweb08]

Well I think those are pretty easily defensible. Especially Phillips.

Maybe Phillips, but not Bruce..I can't remember the list off the top of my head, but I had Bruce much higher.

No Bruce for me so come at me.

[SBTarheel]

No Bruce for me so come at me.

No need, as there's no right or wrong, it's just an opinion anyway. I'm obviously higher on him than Mike "The Shredder" Weber.

[mweb08]

No Bruce for me so come at me.

No need, as there's no right or wrong, it's just an opinion anyway. I'm obviously higher on him than Mike "The Shredder" Weber.

Ha. My lists varied a lot from the Shredder. I just don't think the examples you listed are ones that should lead to mocking the show. I'd say the players lists and James' lists were generally the least good.

[DJ MC]

Bruce is interesting. He's 15th of the 23 rightfielders listed as qualified by Fangraphs in OBP, 13th in SLG and 12th in wOBA. He also has the second-highest strikeout rate (behind Stanton). But both FG and BR give him good-to-great defensive numbers.

 

He seems like he should be higher. I would guess he was first man out.

 

Wieters and Phillips make much more sense. Phillips is highly overrated.

[SBTarheel]

Ha. My lists varied a lot from the Shredder. I just don't think the examples you listed are ones that should lead to mocking the show. I'd say the players lists and James' lists were generally the least good.

i loved the shows, just a few choices were frustrating..The weird thing with Bruce is that he was pretty high on their "Top 100 right now" show, but just low on the Shredders list...James had him, Kenny had him...etc.

[DJ MC]

they never really gave a good explanation on "the shredder"

 

This is an issue I have with CC and the "Top X Right Now" shows. You know how you don't go about winning over people who complain about numbers, including lack of transparency? By introducing another opaque number into the mix.

[mweb08]

Ha. My lists varied a lot from the Shredder. I just don't think the examples you listed are ones that should lead to mocking the show. I'd say the players lists and James' lists were generally the least good.

i loved the shows, just a few choices were frustrating..The weird thing with Bruce is that he was pretty high on their "Top 100 right now" show, but just low on the Shredders list...James had him, Kenny had him...etc.

I don't think Kenny had him. I don't think the top 100 show is related to the top 10 shows at all.

One of the worst choices was Kenny having Jeter like 7th, but I'm guessing you didn't have an issue with that.

[SBTarheel]

I don't think Kenny had him. I don't think the top 100 show is related to the top 10 shows at all.

One of the worst choices was Kenny having Jeter like 7th, but I'm guessing you didn't have an issue with that.

Well Machado was 10th on the shredder 3B list, but #29 in their top 100 right now, so you're definitely right about the shows not being related.

 

The Jeter thing was clearly a "lifetime achievement' type award, but yeah, that was pretty weak.

[SBTarheel]

This is an issue I have with CC and the "Top X Right Now" shows. You know how you don't go about winning over people who complain about numbers, including lack of transparency? By introducing another opaque number into the mix.

Agreed. I guess the fun of it is the debates, but they should explain it at least a little.

[mweb08]

This is an issue I have with CC and the "Top X Right Now" shows. You know how you don't go about winning over people who complain about numbers, including lack of transparency? By introducing another opaque number into the mix.

Agreed. I guess the fun of it is the debates, but they should explain it at least a little.

Well it considers a players recent performance using advanced stats and factors in age; just like other projection systems. They're not specific with how they do it and that's unfortunate, but we do have an idea of what it is.

[SBTarheel]

I did like how Bill James had many of the Orioles ranked pretty high!

[mweb08]

Any thoughts on the catcher rankings?

[SBTarheel]

Any thoughts on the catcher rankings?

I really love the fact that you have Gomes #4, but I'd probably flip flop Perez and LuCroy..Solid lists all around.

[mweb08]

Any thoughts on the catcher rankings?

I really love the fact that you have Gomes #4, but I'd probably flip flop Perez and LuCroy..Solid lists all around.

That's fair. Pitch framing played a fairly big role in my rankings. Gomes and Lucroy dominate there.