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[Mackus]

How can you be placed on waivers and still play? Will it be effective after the game?

Waiver period lasts two days. Usually guys are DFA and then waived, but not always. Can do it backwards and he's eligible to play while on waivers.

[Mike B]

Waivers are not a new thing.  In the past it was a way to make trades after the deadline had passed.  

It is nice to see the Yankees be the ones trying to dump players because they are so far out of it.

[BSLChrisStoner]

CBS Sports: Juan Soto trade: Yankees have had preliminary conversation with Padres about young superstar, per report

https://www.cbssport...tar-per-report/

[BaltBird 24]

Not that money is an issue for them, but they already owe Judge a ton and Stanton is on the books another 4 years.

Cole also has 5 more years at $36 million as well as Rodon with a massive 5 years left.

[BSLChrisStoner]

The Ringer: The Juan Soto Trade Changes Everything for the Yankees

[BaltBird 24]

So what do they have for pitching behind Cole and Rodon? Clarke Schmidt?

King and Brito are good arms. Thorpe looks like a top pitching prospect. I don't know anything about the other pitchers they gave up, but their numbers weren't terrible.

Soto feels like a move that could blow up, and he's only signed for this year. Money obviously isn't a problem in NY, but a ton is already owed to Judge, Cole, Rodon, and Stanton.

[BobPhelan]

Vasquez was a backend starter type. They also lost two decent starting pitchers from their system in the rule 5.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Stroman 2 years $37m.

[BSLChrisStoner]

• Yanks' Stanton ready to 'change narrative' in '24

[BaltBird 24]

He's been hoping to change the narrative for about 5 years now.

[BSLChrisStoner]

He's been hoping to change the narrative for about 5 years now.

Was still good in '21, livable (not good) in '22...  '23 was horrific.  
Other thing that stands out is his inability to stay in the lineup.

Hopefully he starts cold, and doesn't build any confidence. 

[ivanbalt]

He's a worse fielding Chris Davis at this point.

[Mackus]

He's a worse fielding Chris Davis at this point.

 

This laughably undersells how bad Chris Davis' final seasons were.

 

Stanton had a 695 OPS in 2023.  759 in 2022 (made the All-Star team).  870 in 2021.

Chris Davis had a 539 OPS in 2018, 605 in 2019, and 337 in a brief appearance in 2020.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

This laughably undersells how bad Chris Davis' final seasons were.

Stanton had a 695 OPS in 2023. 759 in 2022 (made the All-Star team). 870 in 2021.
Chris Davis had a 539 OPS in 2018, 605 in 2019, and 337 in a brief appearance in 2020.

Yeah, Davis's last 3 years or 250 games played has to be one of the worst 250 game runs in MLB history. From any angle you want to look at it. -5.3 rWAR over those 250 games. An OPS+ around 50. I find it hard to believe someone else got 250 games to be that bad.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Another amazing Davis stat to show how bad he was at the end and how middling some of his other seasons were. The guy played parts of 10 seasons with the Os. He put up 12 total WAR in his 2 best seasons. He ended his Baltimore career with 11.6 WAR. So outside of '13 and '15 he was a negative WAR player in Baltimore.

[ivanbalt]

This laughably undersells how bad Chris Davis' final seasons were.

 

Stanton had a 695 OPS in 2023.  759 in 2022 (made the All-Star team).  870 in 2021.

Chris Davis had a 539 OPS in 2018, 605 in 2019, and 337 in a brief appearance in 2020.

Ok, not quite as bad as the worst of the Crusher but trending there.  Sub-200 average, sub-300 on base and 124 strikeouts in 101 games.  A two outcome hitter, out or home run.  And his fielding is atrocious.

[Mackus]

Ok, not quite as bad as the worst of the Crusher but trending there.  Sub-200 average, sub-300 on base and 124 strikeouts in 101 games.  A two outcome hitter, out or home run.  And his fielding is atrocious.

 

You're still vastly underselling how bad Davis became. Stanton was bad last year, but he's still a mile better than Davis over the final years.  87 OPS+ for Stanton in 2003.  Davis had a 49 OPS+ from 2018-2020.  There is an equal gap between a 125 OPS+ hitter (like Gunnar Henderson was in 2023) and Stanton as there is between Stanton and end-of-career Davis.

 

I'm not defending Stanton, btw (though saying "2 outcome" is obviously untrue, he still had a 10% walk rate...he was a 3 outcome guy).  Just highlighting how deeply Davis sank to over his final seasons.  It's really quite remarkable, and nothing I can think of really compares.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Davis didn't really fall off a cliff until 2018.  Stanton's 2022 and 2023 seasons are actually pretty comparable to Davis in 2016 and 2017.

[CantonJester]

Davis didn't really fall off a cliff until 2018.  Stanton's 2022 and 2023 seasons are actually pretty comparable to Davis in 2016 and 2017.

 

Where they were both reduced to the role of guess hitter. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I think you couldve picked any professional baseball player in any org to take those Davis ABs from '18-'20 and you couldnt have found someone to do worse. Maybe some 16 yr old playing in the DSL wouldve been worse but I wouldn't bet on anyone playing stateside to be worse.