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[DJ MC]

Deadspin Loses One Hall Of Fame Vote, But Gains Another

 

Basically, their original ballot fell through (they say it was just a one-time issue and it sounds like both side are interested in doing the same next year), but someone else came forward. Which means there are at least two voters disgusted enough with the process to be willing to go this route.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Jonah Keri doesn't have a HOF ballot, but three writers for golfwest.com* do.

 

*nothing against golfwest.com, but c'mon...

[BSLChrisStoner]

NBC Sports / Hardball Talk: Time for a HOF Stand
http://hardballtalk....-of-fame-stand/

[FlavaDave10]

Bolded names get my vote. 

 

Moises Alou

Jeff Bagwell

Armando Benitez

Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Sean Casey

Roger Clemens

Ray Durham

Eric Gagne

Tom Glavine

Luis Gonzalez

Jacque Jones

Todd Jones

Jeff Kent

Paul Lo Duca

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Don Mattingly

Fred McGriff

Mark McGwire

Jack Morris

Mike Mussina

Hideo Nomo

Rafael Palmeiro

Mike Piazza

Tim Raines

Kenny Rogers

Curt Schilling

Richie Sexson

Lee Smith

J.T. Snow

Sammy Sosa

Frank Thomas

Mike Timlin

Alan Trammell

Larry Walker

 

10 guys would get my vote (the max). I couldn't care less about steroids because cheating has been a part of baseball for a very long time, and steroids isn't going to make you a Hall of Famer. I feel like I should explain a few of my votes and non-votes:

 

Raines: So unappreciated, so underrated. 

Biggio: Stat compiler, but the fact that he did it for so long and that he had success at multiple positions is enough for me to give him my vote.

Mussina: For the record, a Hall of Famer in my book. Just not when there are so many other deserving names. My final vote was between Raines and Mussina. Raines needs my vote way more than Mussina does. My non-vote for Mussina might not even matter- could get in this year.

Morris: The only argument for Morris being a HOFer that I respect is this: Morris pitched in the 80's. Pitchers in the 80's, well, sucked for the most part. Compare Morris's stats to those guys who pitched in the mid to late 80's. None of them even come close to having the durability of Morris. As mediocre as Morris might look, I think the HOF should be a reflection of not just the best players ever, but also the best players of their respective era. That said, he's still not a hall of famer. 

Bonds: Even if you refuse to vote for guys who took steroids, Bonds was a HOFer long before he allegedly started using. If you don't want Bonds in the HOF, why aren't you whining about Gaylord Perry? He was a cheater too. 

[FlavaDave10]

Deadspin Loses One Hall Of Fame Vote, But Gains Another

 

Basically, their original ballot fell through (they say it was just a one-time issue and it sounds like both side are interested in doing the same next year), but someone else came forward. Which means there are at least two voters disgusted enough with the process to be willing to go this route.

 

The Deadspin ballot is going to be so awesome. Basically a huge middle finger to the entire voting process. 

[SportsGuy]

Bolded names get my vote. 

 

Moises Alou

Jeff Bagwell

Armando Benitez

Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Sean Casey

Roger Clemens

Ray Durham

Eric Gagne

Tom Glavine

Luis Gonzalez

Jacque Jones

Todd Jones

Jeff Kent

Paul Lo Duca

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Don Mattingly

Fred McGriff

Mark McGwire

Jack Morris

Mike Mussina

Hideo Nomo

Rafael Palmeiro

Mike Piazza

Tim Raines

Kenny Rogers

Curt Schilling

Richie Sexson

Lee Smith

J.T. Snow

Sammy Sosa

Frank Thomas

Mike Timlin

Alan Trammell

Larry Walker

 

10 guys would get my vote (the max). I couldn't care less about steroids because cheating has been a part of baseball for a very long time, and steroids isn't going to make you a Hall of Famer. I feel like I should explain a few of my votes and non-votes:

 

Raines: So unappreciated, so underrated. 

Biggio: Stat compiler, but the fact that he did it for so long and that he had success at multiple positions is enough for me to give him my vote.

Mussina: For the record, a Hall of Famer in my book. Just not when there are so many other deserving names. My final vote was between Raines and Mussina. Raines needs my vote way more than Mussina does. My non-vote for Mussina might not even matter- could get in this year.

Morris: The only argument for Morris being a HOFer that I respect is this: Morris pitched in the 80's. Pitchers in the 80's, well, sucked for the most part. Compare Morris's stats to those guys who pitched in the mid to late 80's. None of them even come close to having the durability of Morris. As mediocre as Morris might look, I think the HOF should be a reflection of not just the best players ever, but also the best players of their respective era. That said, he's still not a hall of famer. 

Bonds: Even if you refuse to vote for guys who took steroids, Bonds was a HOFer long before he allegedly started using. If you don't want Bonds in the HOF, why aren't you whining about Gaylord Perry? He was a cheater too. 

There is a chance Mussina could be left off the ballot and not get the 5%.

[DJ MC]

http://msn.foxsports...4-ballot-122613

 

Even though I don't entirely agree with his stance on PEDs, Rosenthal is one of the few voters who has a logical stance on the subject when it comes to the voting. Good to see. Plus, he's filling out his entire ballot.

[DJ MC]

Jack Morris is the victim of "prejudice"

[BSLChrisStoner]

NBC Sports / Hardball Talk: Shaughnessy clearly doesn’t give a crap about his Hall of Fame ballot
 

[mweb08]

Sports Tonight guest Neil Weinberg with a good piece here going over his ballot: http://www.beyondthe...ame-ballot-2014

[DJ MC]

http://www.baseballt...ollecting_gizmo

 

The 2014 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated: Dec. 31 - 2:30 ~ 87 Full Ballots ~ (15.3% of vote ~ based on last year)

100 - Maddux
98.9 - Glavine
88.5 - F. Thomas
81.6 - Biggio
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73.6 - Piazza
64.4 - Bagwell
64.4 - Jack (The Jack) Morris
57.5 - Raines
44.8 - Bonds
43.7 - Clemens
40.2 - Schilling
33.3 - Mussina
23.0 - L. Smith
23.0 - Trammell
18.4 - E. Martinez
17.2 - McGriff
12.6 - Kent
11.5 - McGwire
10.3 - L. Walker
  8.0 - S. Sosa
  6.9 - R. Palmeiro
———————————
  4.6 - Mattingly

  1.1 - P. Rose (Write-In)

[Pedro Cerrano]

Seriously, if Piazza doesn't get in, they may as well close the place down.

[mweb08]

Seriously, if Piazza doesn't get in, they may as well close the place down.

But back acne!

[SportsGuy]

Glavine at 98% and Moose at 33% is a joke.

[SportsGuy]

@wezen_ball: According to @RRepoz's vote tracker, Mussina now has 32 votes for the Hall. That's an almost guaranteed 5% - unless voters jump to >605

[mweb08]

Glavine at 98% and Moose at 33% is a joke.

 

It's very odd for voters to make such a distinction between Glavine and Mussina or Schilling for that matter. 

 

Well odd may not be the right word since it's based on years of differences in perception and the narrative, but if you just look at their resumes objectively, it's hard to understand.

[FlavaDave10]

Glavine at 98% and Moose at 33% is a joke.

 

Yup. Also, I'd love to hear how someone could vote for Jack Morris over Moose. That's not even defendable. 

[GaryArmida]

Mussina is fighting a few things. The old line way of looking at pitchers. Glavine has the 300 wins and the Cy Youngs. Mussina is better in every other category. There are so many old line evaluators amongst the voting body. It's shifting, but not as fast as it needs to be. 

 

Case in point, last year, Kenny Lofton was a 1 and done. There's no way that should be. His career is definitely worthy of consideration. But, because voters don't even look at defense and on base, he was ignored. 

 

I'm hoping Mussina stays on the ballot--it looks like he will--and his case will build dramatically. 

 

If Morris gets in...ugh. 

[GaryArmida]

Oh, and Craig Biggio getting in before Tim Raines is an absolute joke. 

[BSLChrisStoner]

CBS Sports: Breaking down the underrated HOF case for Mike Mussina
http://www.cbssports...of-mike-mussina