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[Mackus]

Take those risks monetarily. It isn’t good business practice to trade special positional players for volatile (health wise) pitchers. This team spends nothing. That’s the real issue wrt pitching.

Rentals for this push. Then sign Burnes and Fried. Payroll still under $200M, maybe $175M. Boom!

[You Play to Win the Game]

Agree in principle. Fried is a ticking time bomb for a major arm injury IMO. Dodged a bullet late last season so he’s probably getting pretty close to needing reconstruction IMO.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Rentals for this push. Then sign Burnes and Fried. Payroll still under $200M, maybe $175M. Boom!

Ok. Then let's talk Adley extension. Let's talk Gunnar extension. Do you really think ownership would run the payroll to $175M then extend those two? You'd be talking north of $215M. Don't see anything close to that.

Love to be wrong but I'd way rather extend position players and trade prospects for top tier pitching.

[Mackus]

Ok. Then let's talk Adley extension. Let's talk Gunnar extension. Do you really think ownership would run the payroll to $175M then extend those two? You'd be talking north of $215M. Don't see anything close to that.

Love to be wrong but I'd way rather extend position players and trade prospects for top tier pitching.

I think revenue can likely support up to the luxury tax limit. That's $241M next year (total calculation includes more than just 16-man payroll, so shave 10% or so for that overhead if you're just thinking usual Opening Day payroll).

They paid out $150-160M a decade ago, before a massive increase in league wide revenue. Haven't tried to crunch any numbers and would be hard to find good sources to use, but I'm fairly confident the break even point is in the ballpark of the luxury threshold. Forbes reported the Orioles made $328M in revenue last year.

[CantonJester]

Ok. Then let's talk Adley extension. Let's talk Gunnar extension. Do you really think ownership would run the payroll to $175M then extend those two? You'd be talking north of $215M. Don't see anything close to that.

Love to be wrong but I'd way rather extend position players and trade prospects for top tier pitching.

 

Gunnar's not signing an extension. Adley will if he has a decent rotation to get behind the plate for, though.

 

And for the record - teams on track for another 100 win season don't typically trade key pieces of their team to bolster their rotation. It's an unnecessary distraction / clubhouse disruption. This isn't fantasy baseball. 

 

For S's & G's, you'd be selling high on Westburg and low on Cowser. Stupid on both fronts. 

[BobPhelan]

Do you think a Skubal level pitcher becomes available at less cost? Or are you in the same situation as you are now?

Just think in the offseason you are better prepared to make a big move and fill in any holes that creates.

I do wonder if there will be a surprise trade along the lines of Kjerstad headlining a deal for Luis Castillo from the Mariners.

[dude]

Hey!  I have an idea!

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Gunnar's not signing an extension. Adley will if he has a decent rotation to get behind the plate for, though.

And for the record - teams on track for another 100 win season don't typically trade key pieces of their team to bolster their rotation. It's an unnecessary distraction / clubhouse disruption. This isn't fantasy baseball.

For S's & G's, you'd be selling high on Westburg and low on Cowser. Stupid on both fronts.

Huh? Nobody I have been discussing, except for Kjerstad, is part of the current clubhouse. I've been talking Bassllo, Holliday, Mayo, and Kjerstad.

[dude]

Huh? Nobody I have been discussing, except for Kjerstad, is part of the current clubhouse. I've been talking Bassllo, Holliday, Mayo, and Kjerstad.

 

Westburg

[BobPhelan]

I brought up Westburg. And for the record I think it’s near impossible that they trade him right now. Was just making clear how valuable I think our top 3 prospects are.

[CantonJester]

Huh? Nobody I have been discussing, except for Kjerstad, is part of the current clubhouse. I've been talking Bassllo, Holliday, Mayo, and Kjerstad.

 

Sorry - I commented instead of replying to you. I know you weren't tossing around ideas re: Cowser and Westburg. I was just letting my opinion be known about that. 

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I think revenue can likely support up to the luxury tax limit. That's $241M next year (total calculation includes more than just 16-man payroll, so shave 10% or so for that overhead if you're just thinking usual Opening Day payroll).


They paid out $150-160M a decade ago, before a massive increase in league wide revenue. Haven't tried to crunch any numbers and would be hard to find good sources to use, but I'm fairly confident the break even point is in the ballpark of the luxury threshold. Forbes reported the Orioles made $328M in revenue last year.

Awesome if they're really willing to go that high.

[CantonJester]

I brought up Westburg. And for the record I think it’s near impossible that they trade him right now. Was just making clear how valuable I think our top 3 prospects are.

 

Westburg is a home run. Everyone in the minors is a wildcard. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I wonder if the Cubs are willing to move Tallion. Signed for 18 mil per through 2026. Reasonable price. Is solid. They might prefer to hang onto him.

[Mackus]

I wonder if the Cubs are willing to move Tallion. Signed for 18 mil per through 2026. Reasonable price. Is solid. They might prefer to hang onto him.

I'd prefer Eflin and think the Rays are more salary motivated than the Cubs. But I'd be happy with Taillon if he's one of two additions.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Being reported that the Os are willing to trade Mullins and Mountcastle

[BaltBird 24]

Gotta clear room for Mayo, probably at Mountcastle's expense.

Hold onto Ced, don't want Cowser as our only CF option.

[CantonJester]

Being reported that the Os are willing to trade Mullins and Mountcastle

 

If they flip Mullins it means they'd need a LF to play at OPACY, as Cowser would slide over to CF. Losing Mounty means you're going to have a far inferior glove at 1B in O'Hearn, who is a platoon bat anyway. 

 

I saw that blurb. It doesn't make sense. 

[RichardZ]

Gotta clear room for Mayo, probably at Mountcastle's expense.
Hold onto Ced, don't want Cowser as our only CF option.

Pillar, Michael A. Taylor, Johan Rojas (If Ced goes to the Phil’s, Fairchild on the Reds, etc., etc.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Hays/Kjersted would play LF.  Im ok with that depending on who Mullins brought back. Mounty makes more sense though. Mayo has been playing more 1b at AAA. They are seemingly preparing him for 1b.