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[RichardZ]

Holliday may well end up being a perrenial all star. He may just end up being a solid everyday ML player. But its not like he's THE key to a successful long run for this group.

Do you think any one player is the key to a long successful run?

[makoman]

Fair enough so simple question.

 

Who give the team a better shot at a WS this year or next year. Skubal or Holliday?

Skubal. 

 

What if they required Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo? Skubal would still very likely be the answer, so do you make that trade?

[Slidemaster]

Skubal.

What if they required Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo? Skubal would still very likely be the answer, so do you make that trade?

Not a chance in fresh hell.

[CantonJester]

Not a chance in fresh hell.

 

Skubal might cost Holliday, McDermott, Beavers/Bradfield and a lesser prospect. A package led by Basallo might well get you any reliever made available. 

 

Do you pull the trigger in those scenarios?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Not a chance in fresh hell.

 

Well, duh.  He was just pointing out that 'who gives you a better chance of winning the WS this year' isn't a great way to evaluate whether or not a trade makes sense.

[RichardZ]

Skubal might cost Holliday, McDermott, Beavers/Bradfield and a lesser prospect. A package led by Basallo might well get you any reliever made available.

Do you pull the trigger in those scenarios?

You can make an argument for Holliday+ for Skubal. Basallo for Mason Miller? That requires some thought. I can’t think of another reliever who would make me pause.

The answer is no. Elias will trade mid level prospects for someone like Fedde and someone like Carlos Estévez.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

No Bassalo for Miller. Just am not trading a top 15 guy for a RP. Especially one with a known arm issue history

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Skubal.

What if they required Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo? Skubal would still very likely be the answer, so do you make that trade?

No. That's too much nor do I think they even ask for that.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Do you think any one player is the key to a long successful run?

No. But I do believe one player can be a difference maker. In this case I see Skubal with a higher probability than Holliday. And don't misread what I am saying. I think Holliday will turn out to be a good player long term.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Well, duh. He was just pointing out that 'who gives you a better chance of winning the WS this year' isn't a great way to evaluate whether or not a trade makes sense.

Ok then let's try it a different way. Does Skubal or Holliday give you a better shot at a WS as long as they'd be an Oriole?

[BobPhelan]

Ok then let's try it a different way. Does Skubal or Holliday give you a better shot at a WS as long as they'd be an Oriole?

 

Holliday.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Holliday.

Fair enough.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its pretty unlikely in the next few years we will be able to have a 1-2 punch like we could have in Burnes and Skubal this year.  GRod isnt a stud but having him be the #3 in a playoff rotation looks so much better than being the #2. If you're going to trade one of the top 20 prospects we have it's for a stud like Skubal. We can sit here and worry if Skubal will have arm problems and be available in '25 and '26 but you cant always look for the monsters under the bed. What makes pitching scary is what makes it so valuable and desired when studs are healthy. Id move Holliday, Mayo, or Basallo as the #1 piece of a Skubal deal. Not giving up 2 of them. Can talk about who the secondary pieces are but Im down to send one of them to Det as the #1. We are clearly a legit contender. This is the shot to have studs at our #1 and #2 in a playoff rotation. Plus, hopefully, things go well and Skubal is healthy and studly in '25 and '26 too. Go for it.  

[CantonJester]

The question that should be asked is "which player gives you the better shot at a WS within Skubal's years before FA?"

 

Burnes / Skubal / G-Rod gives you the one-two-three to go to battle with anyone. 

[Mackus]

I think Bob has talked me into Fedde over Bassitt.  Give me a Norby & top-20 guy deal for Fedde and two top-30 guys for Eflin and his 2025 salary and I'll take that over Holliday & Norby for Skubal and a top-30 guy or two for a Kikuchi rental or Quantrill.

 

Can use a couple other back-end top-10 through top-20 guys to land 2 good RP amongst Scott, Estevez, Foley, and some others.

 

If we don't resign Burnes, I'd then go hard after Crochet or Skubal in the offseason assuming they aren't dealt now.

[jamesdean]

I think it's assuming a lot that the Tigers are going to want to move Skubal in the first place.  Yes, they could use a couple of bats but they've played well in past couple of weeks and they're only 3 games under .500.  If they are thinking seriously about it, they've got all the leverage.  And you can forget about them accepting only one top prospect.  It's going to take more than that.  They'll ask for Hollliday, which I think the Orioles will reject.  Then they'll want Mayo and probably 2 more, which means Kjerstad, Norby, McDermott and Basallo are all in play.  They might even want Westburg as part of the package.  I know you have to be willing to go for broke sometimes to get a player like Skubal but do you really want to go down that road?  It makes me a little uneasy to part with all that young talent when you could get a second-tier starter or two without mortgaging your farm system.  I'm sure the Padres still get physically ill when thinking about the Soto trade with Washington. 

[85Knight]

Holliday.

Not this year and that's really the focus. We'd be pushing all of our chips to the middle of the table and even if we didn't win it all we'd have our TOR starter for the next 2 years if Burnes were to leave. I said this was all contingent on Mayo being able to play third and if he can the infield will be set for the next few years even without Holiday.

That being said I'm not going any higher than Holiday, Stowers and Norby at the top of that trade. That and another filler or two is all I'm willing to talk about.

[jamesdean]

Not this year and that's really the focus. We'd be pushing all of our chips to the middle of table and even we didn't win it all we'd have our TOR starter for the next 2 years if Burnes were to leave. I said this was all contingent on Mayo being able to play third and if he can the infield will be set for the next few years even without Holiday.

That being said I'm not going any higher than Holiday, Stowers and Norby at the top of that trade. That and another filler or two is all I'm willing to talk about.

Detroit can use someone at third and first so I think Mayo would be the center of that trade.  

[BobPhelan]

This year is a focus but so are the next several years. I want a sustained window. Playoffs are a crapshoot. I want to add but not at the expense of Holliday, Mayo, Basallo.

Maybe you can headline a Skubal trade with Westburg instead. That’s more feasible for me. Maybe something like Westburg, Norby, Beavers, EBJ, and McDermott.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Screw trading Westburg. Guy is a keeper. Any of the 3 can go before him