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#1021 Mackus

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 06:52 PM

Now what? Hes not getting 400+ carries a year. Yeah, no s***

 

30 carries a game is 510 for the year.  Pretty devastating and deeply meaningful admission from the Ravens that they don't plan to use him that much.  Just fold the team.



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 06:58 PM

30 carries a game is 510 for the year. Pretty devastating and deeply meaningful admission from the Ravens that they don't plan to use him that much. Just fold the team.


You can dunk on what is obvious hyperbole all you like. 13 carries per game isn't remotely enough for Henry to do what he has built his HOF resume doing.

If you're not going to get a guy to do what he does best, why get him at all?

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:03 PM

The Ravens lead in the 2nd half of every game they played last year. Often with double digit leads. They had trouble wearing teams down and salting away games way too often last year. THe game against the Chiefs didnt provide the opportunity for Henry to do that. There will be plenty of chances going forward for him to do that. There will be games where he gets 15 2nd half carries. You cant say, Gus could have done that when Gus had trouble doing it last year.

There are lots of guys who can grind away a game with a big lead. Many of then are playing backup right now in the NFL, or are at least part of a tandem.

It's pure fallacy to say that they had to abandon Henry when they were tied or down one score. That's the same crap that has lead to them being on the couch too early in the playoffs.

#1024 Biggsy

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:04 PM

Ravens: 30 carries a game not plan for Henry
https://www.espn.com...30-carries-game

46% of the offensive snaps - 6 fewer than Justice Hill.

13 carries.

Now this.

Y'all trashed me for saying it, but they're being very clear. He's in the Gus Edwards role. He was never going to be a focal point of the offense, and he changes very little, if anything, about the offensive identity if the team.



Nobody trashed you for saying he was in the Edwards role. You got trashed for saying he isn't better than Gus Edwards. Don't misrepresent your argument.

For what it's worth, I do agree that Henry isn't exactly the kind of guy you give 10-15 touches. He wears defenses down. His best carries are the 13th-20th carries. We saw it time and time again. He'd have 15 carries for 28 yards through 3 quarters. Then he'd finish with 25 carries for 120 yards.

If they were looking for efficiency, they could have went a different route and drafted a guy like Benson or Corum.

I also think Harbaugh is somewhat BSing too. I feel like they brought Henry in to be a closer and short yardage threat. I think we see games where Henry is north of 20 carries. I also think we see games like KC where he's south of 15.

I feel like getting Keaton Mitchell back at 100% is going to mean more to this offense than the Henry signing.
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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:06 PM

Nobody trashed you for saying he was in the Edwards role. You got trashed for saying he isn't better than Gus Edwards. Don't misrepresent your argument.

For what it's worth, I do agree that Henry isn't exactly the kind of guy you give 10-15 touches. He wears defenses down. His best carries are the 13th-20th carries. We saw it time and time again. He'd have 15 carries for 28 yards through 3 quarters. Then he'd finish with 25 carries for 120 yards.

If they were looking for efficiency, they could have went a different route and drafted a guy like Benson or Corum.

I also think Harbaugh is somewhat BSing too. I feel like they brought Henry in to be a closer and short yardage threat. I think we see games where Henry is north of 20 carries. I also think we see games like KC where he's south of 15.

I feel like getting Keaton Mitchell back at 100% is going to mean more to this offense than the Henry signing.

I agree. I also believe that if they wanted to go the FA route, Aaron Jones or Joe Mixon would have been better at basically everything this offense likes to do. He's a bad fit in a role that doesn't suit him.

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:07 PM

Hes also not solely a closer.  Whatever Im done with this. You guys have fun going round and round with him



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:19 PM

So what do you guys think about Derrick Henry this year?
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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:29 PM

So what do you guys think about Derrick Henry this year?


I think he’s our running back
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#1029 jamesdean

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:30 PM

Its just one game and 13 carries. I'm not going to pull the sheet over Henry just yet.

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:30 PM

I think he’s our running back


John Harbaugh hates running backs... ;)

#1031 Mackus

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:59 PM

He wears defenses down. His best carries are the 13th-20th carries. We saw it time and time again.


Is this true? I know it's the anecdote, but I've been wanting to verify the thinking with numbers but been unable to do so. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a bit overblown and Henry has still been plenty effective on his first 10 or 15 carries.

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 07:43 AM

I honestly don’t get it. Maybe I’m just dumb.

 

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 09:30 AM

Is this true? I know it's the anecdote, but I've been wanting to verify the thinking with numbers but been unable to do so. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a bit overblown and Henry has still been plenty effective on his first 10 or 15 carries.

2023 STATS- 

 

1st QUARTER-    ATT- 79     YARDS- 279     AVG.- 3.5

2nd QUARTER-   ATT- 63     YARDS- 306     AVG.-4.9

3rd QUARTER-   ATT- 68      YARDS- 365     AVG.- 5.4

4th QUARTER-   ATT- 65      YARDS- 216     AVG.- 3.3


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Posted 10 September 2024 - 09:59 AM

I just traded away my one and only poorly advised fantasy share of Derrick Henry in a package to get Breece Hall, so when he goes off for 140 yards and three touchdowns this weekend, you can all thank me.

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 01:47 PM

2023 STATS-

1st QUARTER- ATT- 79 YARDS- 279 AVG.- 3.5
2nd QUARTER- ATT- 63 YARDS- 306 AVG.-4.9
3rd QUARTER- ATT- 68 YARDS- 365 AVG.- 5.4
4th QUARTER- ATT- 65 YARDS- 216 AVG.- 3.3



Without actually watching, I'd assume teams started out stuffing the box, and fresh defenders were ready in the first. And in the 4th they were running safe, dive type type of plays with limited potential to drain the clock.

I would say the 3rd quarter being his most efficient kind of aligns with him being a workhorse that wears defenses down.

Overall I get the point, I don't think it's impossible that Henry can break some runs early. And he will I'm sure. But, I think his best work comes in the second half, when teams are tired of tackling a 240 lbs monster.

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 01:50 PM

Hes also not solely a closer. Whatever Im done with this. You guys have fun going round and round with him



I think that's how the Ravens want to use him. Not to say he won't get work early. But I feel like they brought him in to ice games late, and to make short yardage situations extremely stressful for defenses.

I honestly think Aaron Jones would have been the better get for an "efficiency" type of back. He can catch well out of the backfield as well.

But we didn't, we got Henry. Which is fine. Dude is still a stud RB.

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 03:00 PM

Without actually watching, I'd assume teams started out stuffing the box, and fresh defenders were ready in the first. And in the 4th they were running safe, dive type type of plays with limited potential to drain the clock.

I would say the 3rd quarter being his most efficient kind of aligns with him being a workhorse that wears defenses down.

Overall I get the point, I don't think it's impossible that Henry can break some runs early. And he will I'm sure. But, I think his best work comes in the second half, when teams are tired of tackling a 240 lbs monster.

Not to mention that the Titans OL was garbage last year.  It's probably nothing short of a miracle Henry still rushed for over 1,000 yards. Hopefully, the Ravens OL will develop into a solid run, blocking unit and they can utilize Henry better than Tennessee did. 



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 04:49 PM

Any word on why Lamar missed practice yesterday?

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 05:56 PM

Any word on why Lamar missed practice yesterday?


General soreness. Sounds like not a big deal.

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 06:38 PM

General soreness. Sounds like not a big deal.

Ok, thanks. 






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