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#21 Pedro Cerrano

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 09:38 AM

Used to love SW. Cheap fares, no fees for bags, good service and reliability. Plus their hub is in BWI so they have a good selection of destinations. Now they’re the most expensive airline around...and now this. Not a good look for them.


Yup. They’re insanely expensive unless you find one of their random cheap fares. Delta, United, American all cheaper these days.

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 09:41 AM

the key here with flying in todays time frame and it affects all airlines. The planes are filled to max on every flight. You bump a single flight, it takes 1-2 days to get everybody rerouted.

Image canceling 2,200 flights on Thursday because of the weather, and how that domino affects every flight every where. Thats not counting the flights canceled, Friday through today.


Plus, because SW doesn’t do a “wheel and spoke” type flight pattern, if one flight in that path is canceled or delayed then it affects everything else.

They’ll do a flight like Sacramento to Phoenix to Denver to Houston to Baltimore.

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 09:48 AM

Plus, because SW doesn’t do a “wheel and spoke” type flight pattern, if one flight in that path is canceled or delayed then it affects everything else.

They’ll do a flight like Sacramento to Phoenix to Denver to Houston to Baltimore.

My son got held up a Minnesota layover because his Delta flight crew ran out of hours before Thanksgiving, and they canceled that flight, once he landed.  It took him 2 Flights and 9 more hours to finally make BWI.

 

You would have thought they would have had a better handle on crew and hours.



#24 Mike in STL

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 10:52 AM

So flight attendants never showed up to my moms flight. Pilots were there, and flew and empty plane to Baltimore. People were pissed. “We don’t need peanuts. We’ll buckle up. Lets go!”

My mom got placed on an 8pm flight tonight and a $200 voucher. But even the guy at the ticket counter told her to call corporate and ask for more because that is BS.

So how do they know if they will have flight attendants tonight?
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Posted 27 December 2022 - 11:01 AM

So flight attendants never showed up to my moms flight. Pilots were there, and flew and empty plane to Baltimore. People were pissed. “We don’t need peanuts. We’ll buckle up. Lets go!”

My mom got placed on an 8pm flight tonight and a $200 voucher. But even the guy at the ticket counter told her to call corporate and ask for more because that is BS.

So how do they know if they will have flight attendants tonight?


They don’t. And they may very well cancel on her again. FAA regulations obv require flight attendants but yea. I can see being mad that an empty plane flew back to Baltimore.

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 11:20 AM

They don’t. And they may very well cancel on her again. FAA regulations obv require flight attendants but yea. I can see being mad that an empty plane flew back to Baltimore.


I know why they need flight attendants, but can’t the co-pilot do the announcements no one listens to anyway? If there was a medical emergency couldn’t the undercover air marshal jump into action?
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Posted 27 December 2022 - 11:29 AM

Are air marshals on every flight?  I wasn't aware of that if so.


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Posted 27 December 2022 - 11:30 AM

OMG can you imagine being on a passenger plane without flight attendants? It's worse enough with them, but without them? I wouldn't want to be on board to find out.


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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:29 PM

I imagine a lot of these staffing issues are still the after effects of COVID, people were laid off or retired early and haven’t been replaced, even though demand to fly is pretty much back to normal.



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:31 PM

Are air marshals on every flight?  I wasn't aware of that if so.

They are not on every flight, they dont have the manpower, but they hope the threat one being on the flight, helps deter.



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:32 PM

I imagine a lot of these staffing issues are still the after effects of COVID, people were laid off or retired early and haven’t been replaced, even though demand to fly is pretty much back to normal.

I think the number of passengers flying is back to pre covid numbers, but the actual number of flights and workers are reduced from pre covid days.



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:32 PM

Are air marshals on every flight? I wasn't aware of that if so.


I don’t know, but I assumed they were in a post 9/11 world.
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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:33 PM

I don’t know, but I assumed they were in a post 9/11 world.

google says they are on approximately 5% of the flights.



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:50 PM

google says they are on approximately 5% of the flights.


Pretty good odds for the terrorists.
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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:59 PM

Pretty good odds for the terrorists.

I cant disagree, they said its around $3,300 per Air Marsha for every single flight. That can add up quickly.



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 01:03 PM

google says they are on approximately 5% of the flights.

Curious if thats flights originating all over the world or just in the USA. I would assume domestic flying in the USA might be higher but thats purely speculation on my part



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 01:08 PM

But more regulation sucks, they said. It's the root of all evil, they said.

 

How long are they going to let this BS continue from the whole industry before someone knocks it off?



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 01:11 PM

Curious if thats flights originating all over the world or just in the USA. I would assume domestic flying in the USA might be higher but thats purely speculation on my part

 It appears that you have a better chance of finding an air marshal on overseas as they can fly up to 4 on a flight, as opposed to up to 2 on domestic flights.

 

I would think it might be the US based Carriers and not Foreign carriers.



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Posted 27 December 2022 - 01:14 PM

Well for what it’s worth my sister was able to rent a car and is driving back to South Carolina.

Thanks for nothing, Southwest.
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Posted 27 December 2022 - 01:38 PM

OMG can you imagine being on a passenger plane without flight attendants? It's worse enough with them, but without them? I wouldn't want to be on board to find out.


Yep flew Space A flight in a C130 from Travis (Sacramento) to Dover. Was the only passenger with no attendants. It was spooky

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