Owner
Posted 19 August 2021 - 09:48 AM
When a team loses, 110-115 games, they are historically bad. Someone usually is the scapegoat. I think the obvious choice is Hyde. Does he survive this mess, and does he want to?
I've said I'd like to see him manage better talent, and I don't hold him responsible for anything.... but I think at this point moving on should probably happen.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 09:48 AM
That is kind of how I feel, which would mean they would be finishing the year around 10 and 53. That seems impossible, but this team as it is constituted is just totally over matched. I think the other teams in the division, who are all in playoff contention, look at the Orioles as an easy mark and they realize they can not lose these games. We have 43 games left. and I think we win 8-10, so I will go with 48.
You mean 10-32, which is very much in the realm of possibility and more likely than not.
This organization has fielded probably 3 of the worst dozen or so teams of the last 40 years.
I mean, if you're going to tank, tank. Right?
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 09:57 AM
You mean 10-32, which is very much in the realm of possibility and more likely than not.
This organization has fielded probably 3 of the worst dozen or so teams of the last 40 years.
I mean, if you're going to tank, tank. Right?
No, I was back dating things. I think we have lost 17 of the last 19, at least that is what they said on the news this morning, and if they finish 10-33, which seems a bit optimistic at this point, that would mean they went 12 and 50 over the last 62. That is taking tanking to an art form.
Elijah Green welcome to Baltimore.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 10:07 AM
Yeah, the embarrassing was my pick and thinking his pick was crazy.... I'm thinking donation to the charity of his choice.
I've sent him an email, will see what he says.
I support any charitable donation, and would like to contribute, but I'd also like to see something more outwardly embarrassing than simply acknowledging you were wrong 
Soccer Analyst
Posted 19 August 2021 - 11:15 AM
Well I said 70 so I smoked some crow on the pellet grill last night. Wasn't too bad if I alternated a bite of crow, followed by a sip of whiskey and a bite of ribs. 
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 11:23 AM
Keith Law predicted 58-104, in case anybody cares.
• The Orioles were right at the league median in run scoring and in OBP last year, but I don’t see that recurring with the moves they’ve made (Maikel Franco?) and imminent regression from Ryan Mountcastle, while their rotation is also likely to be a huge weakness, although at least this year it’ll include at least two prospects in Dean Kremer and Keegan Akin, either of whom could stick in that role and give the Orioles their first long-term starters since they dealt Dylan Bundy.
Clown take by Keith Law, am I right?
Owner
Posted 19 August 2021 - 11:25 AM
Clown take by Keith Law, am I right?
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 11:36 AM
Law is a knowledgeable guy.
Sometimes I disagree with his takes, but I don't question his knowledge.
I dislike his trolling / snark nature though.
I don't consistently read Law (I do check out his mostly non baseball blog from time to time and it's cool), but I have never gotten this impression of him being some big troll or jerk. I think a lot of the animus on here has a lot more to do with his general negativity toward the O's, which strikes me as akin to all the announcer x hates my team nonsense, especially since his views have been more right than wrong, and when they've been most notably wrong (the playoff years), he's been far from alone, including right here. Unfortunately we're fans of a franchise that has been mostly horrible the past two plus decades, and the truth hurts, but I am more in the view of don't kill the messenger.
Owner
Posted 19 August 2021 - 11:49 AM
I don't consistently read Law (I do check out his non baseball blog from time to time and it's cool), but I have never gotten this impression of him being some big troll or jerk. I think a lot of the animus on here has a lot more to do with his general negativity toward the O's, which strikes me as akin to all the announcer x hates my team nonsense, especially since his views have been more right than wrong, and when they've been most notably wrong (the playoff years), he's been far from alone, including right here. Unfortunately we're fans of a franchise that has been mostly horrible the past two plus decades, and the truth hurts, but I am more in the view of don't kill the messenger.
Nah, he's got snark for all teams and everyone. It certainly isn't limited to the Orioles. I don't have that critique of him.
But he's the type of guy who goes out of his way to be the jerk.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 11:50 AM
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:02 PM
Nah, he's got snark for all teams and everyone. It certainly isn't limited to the Orioles. I don't have that critique of him.
But he's the type of guy who goes out of his way to be the jerk.
Like I said, I don't really agree with this as I haven't seen it. One would think this would be a good place for me to see all these examples of him being a jerk since there's so much complaining about him here, but it's generally people just saying he's a jerk or clueless or the like in reference to him saying something bad about a bad baseball team.
What he is imo is a geek. Some people don't like geeks. I could also see people of a certain political side of the spectrum thinking he's a jerk so there's that.
^^ That's my name. Don't wear it out.
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:04 PM
How many wins would everybody trade to get to experience yesterday's game?
Orioles still win, but it's just a run-of-the-mill good start from Means. But you get to add X wins to the Orioles overall record (and relational improvement to the general aesthetic feel of the entire season)?
I'd trade a lot. I think the team is gonna be a 60ish win team and especially the latter part of the season is going to be an unbearable slog. But I'll take that along with yesterday's game over a .500ish season and more consistently enjoyable baseball. So like, 20 wins. That's what yesterday was worth to me. I've always liked the "flags fly forever" ideal, and yesterday's game from Means is an individual moment banner. And to me, no-hitters and perfect games are way more memorable than cycles or 3-homer days.
I know we're well past this but I want to revisit this question, now that the bottom has dropped out.
If the Orioles were within shouting distance of .500 right now, but Means threw a complete game one-hitter, would you take that trade?
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:10 PM
I know we're well past this but I want to revisit this question, now that the bottom has dropped out.
If the Orioles were within shouting distance of .500 right now, but Means threw a complete game one-hitter, would you take that trade?
Does being close to .500 have an impact on our future? It probably would have a positive impact on how I view our future, so in that case, I'd take the much better record.
However, from a fan perspective that is limited to strictly this season (no impact on the future), I think I'd rather have the no hitter, especially since I actually watched it. It's also helpful that I mostly checked out on this season a while back besides going to some games, so my time and emotional investment into this awful team is rather minimal.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:11 PM
I know we're well past this but I want to revisit this question, now that the bottom has dropped out.
If the Orioles were within shouting distance of .500 right now, but Means threw a complete game one-hitter, would you take that trade?
I said just run-of-the-mill good start, not quite a 1-hit shutout. But either way, I'll stick with the no hitter! That was awesome. It'd be a lot better overall for the season to have been less abysmal and be near .500, but not sure it'd good enough to want that at the cost of not getting Means' no-hitter for me. Also expect this opinion to strengthen with time. It's easier to move past and forget bad play once it's further into the past, but the memory of the no hitter remains.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:15 PM
Mike's point about how we got to .500 is a good one, if we're 20 games better because Akin, Kremer, Baumann, Hays, and Diaz all look like 4 wins better, that's a lot more meaningful long term than if we're 20 games better because 10 guys we know aren't gonna be here beyond the next couple years were 2 wins better.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:20 PM
Mike's point about how we got to .500 is a good one, if we're 20 games better because Akin, Kremer, Baumann, Hays, and Diaz all look like 4 wins better, that's a lot more meaningful long term than if we're 20 games better because 10 guys we know aren't gonna be here beyond the next couple years were 2 wins better.
Exactly. This is also why I think this MLB season has reduced my optimism about the future.
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:25 PM
HOF
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:28 PM
Ah. Got it. This is a historically awful team so nothing is impossible.No, I was back dating things. I think we have lost 17 of the last 19, at least that is what they said on the news this morning, and if they finish 10-33, which seems a bit optimistic at this point, that would mean they went 12 and 50 over the last 62. That is taking tanking to an art form.
Elijah Green welcome to Baltimore.
BSL Analyst
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:46 PM
When a team loses, 110-115 games, they are historically bad. Someone usually is the scapegoat. I think the obvious choice is Hyde. Does he survive this mess, and does he want to?
It's definitely not his fault but I figure Buck Britton would be interesting, I'd assume he built good relationships with Adley/Grayson/Hall that would be valuable going forward
BSL Analyst
Posted 19 August 2021 - 12:49 PM
I said just run-of-the-mill good start, not quite a 1-hit shutout. But either way, I'll stick with the no hitter! That was awesome. It'd be a lot better overall for the season to have been less abysmal and be near .500, but not sure it'd good enough to want that at the cost of not getting Means' no-hitter for me. Also expect this opinion to strengthen with time. It's easier to move past and forget bad play once it's further into the past, but the memory of the no hitter remains.
Yeah you can tell your grandchildren you saw a no-hitter from an 11th round pick who was so close to giving up on baseball he made a Linkedin, you can't tell your grandchildren you saw a 78-84 team lol
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