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#361 mweb08

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Posted 11 February 2024 - 01:15 PM

For whatever it's worth, my impression was also always that he dinged the O's system for its lack of international talent, seemingly independent of the actual quality of the rest of the system. Like didn't he pretty much say exactly that when he had us in the bottom half a couple years ago when everyone else had us top 10?

ETA: well yes, actually it's in this very thread, from Feb. 2021

Keith Law: Also, the expectation that a team that has completely ignored international scouting – you know, where the best player in the NL came from, where the #1 and #3 prospects on my top 100 came from as well as the guys at 16 and 19 and 20 and 24 and 25 and 25 – for a decade, and that has zero international prospects of their own signing in their top 20, would have a top ten system is delusional


He absolutely used the lack of international talent as part of his justification. I do not think it's fair at all to say it was independent of the actual quality of the rest of the system. I know there are a lot of people who dislike Law and I know he has been too low on the O's farm the past few years, but he is not a dumb person, and he'd have to be in order to literally rank the system based on its actual quality but then to drop it down because of a lack of Latin American presence. That would indeed be delusional. I think it's pretty clear that he was simply saying that it's super difficult to get into the top 10 while ignoring a significant talent stream.

#362 mweb08

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Posted 11 February 2024 - 01:17 PM

Maybe this response will answer RichardZ question too.

 

He absolutely has done that it in the past and - in fact - he's doing it here.  He's literally ranked the Orioles system lower - in the face of all of the other rankings - because they didn't have enough Latin talent.  NOW...we can have the best system we've had because we have Latin talent.  That is a crazy position.

 

If you cut off one avenue of talent acquisition, that obviously can be a challenge (do everything you can, everywhere you can), but using that opportunity (or not using it) isn't the definition of the talent in the system  The talent in the system is the definition of talent in the system.

 

If you have more talent than everyone else, then you have more talent than everyone else.  Where anyone hails from is irrelevant. 

 

It's your opinion that he's doing that. I think it's the wrong opinion as explained in my prior posts.



#363 Nigel Tufnel

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Posted 12 February 2024 - 10:51 AM

Apologies to everyone for wasting your time, but here are Law's top 20 O's prospects:

 

  1. Holliday
  2. Basallo
  3. Mayo
  4. Kjerstad
  5. Bradfield
  6. Cowser
  7. Beavers
  8. Norby
  9. Povich
  10. McDermott
  11. Horvath
  12. Lord
  13. Arias
  14. Tavera
  15. De Leon
  16. Johnson
  17. Nunez
  18. Armbruester
  19. Almeyda
  20. Baumeister

Others of note: Sosa, Wagner, Josenberger, Cunningham, Etzel

 

Baltimore Orioles 2024 top 20 prospects: Jackson Holliday leads top farm system - The Athletic


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Posted 12 February 2024 - 11:03 AM

Surprised he has Bradfield over Cowser.

Also a little surprising he has Lord so much higher than Baumeister.

Love seeing all that Latin American talent slowly infiltrating the top prospect lists.

#365 BobPhelan

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 06:07 PM

Fangraphs top 100

FanGraphs Top 100:

1) Jackson Holliday
7) Samuel Basallo
23) Coby Mayo
24) Heston Kjerstad

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 06:11 PM

Fangraphs top 100

FanGraphs Top 100:

1) Jackson Holliday
7) Samuel Basallo
23) Coby Mayo
24) Heston Kjerstad

 

45) Joey Ortiz 



#367 Mackus

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 06:12 PM

Fangraphs always is super high on the O's guys. That's the highest we've seen for any of them, right? Except Holliday as unanimous #1.

4 top-25 is crazy.

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 06:16 PM

Guessing Cowser didn't qualify for their top 100?

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 07:58 PM

Guessing Cowser didn't qualify for their top 100?


They haven’t been high on him, was behind Beavers last year, not close to top 100.

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 09:10 PM

They haven’t been high on him, was behind Beavers last year, not close to top 100.


Nothing wrong with being behind beavers
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#371 BobPhelan

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Posted 15 February 2024 - 11:58 PM

Fangraphs always is super high on the O's guys. That's the highest we've seen for any of them, right? Except Holliday as unanimous #1.

4 top-25 is crazy.


Mayo was 15 on Baseball Prospectus and 19 on ESPN.

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Posted 04 March 2024 - 09:40 AM

New MLB.com top 30

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/orioles/



#373 BSLSteveBirrer

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Posted 04 March 2024 - 10:51 AM

1, 19, 30, and 32 in all of baseball and likely 2 if not 3 of them won't make the OD roster. Wow that's some serious depth.



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Posted 04 March 2024 - 05:05 PM

Because I was curious: top 30 broken down by how they entered the org

 

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#375 makoman

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Posted 04 March 2024 - 05:14 PM

Fabian was a draft pick too.



#376 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 04 March 2024 - 05:38 PM


Fabian was a draft pick too.

Getting technical. His draft pick slot was acquired in the Sulser/Scott trade.

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Posted 04 March 2024 - 05:45 PM

Getting technical. His draft pick slot was acquired in the Sulser/Scott trade.

I forgot about that. Still, did the Ravens acquire Lamar via draft or trade? Would anyone say trade?


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Posted 04 March 2024 - 07:12 PM

You can basically never trade for draft picks in baseball while you can do it freely in football so I felt like indicating they got Fabian in a different way than Holliday/Mayo/etc 



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Posted 04 March 2024 - 07:17 PM

Not that it matters - but considering Fabian a trade acquisition is a weird take.

Good top 30, though.

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Posted 06 March 2024 - 12:29 AM

With Basallo's arm injury, and how it affects his ability to catch at least early in the season, we can end any thought that we will have the #1 overall prospect for the 4th straight year. It was a good run though.  :grin:






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