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[DJ MC]

If they want to, yes. If they want to be truly educated, they can do that, too.

 

I don't see why this isn't a solution. What's with the facade at this point?

 

Because the NCAA IS a facade. If that gets torn down, so will the entire organization.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Because the NCAA IS a facade. If that gets torn down, so will the entire organization.

I just don't have faith that the NCAA would be replaced by something significantly better. Any new organization would have the same mission as the old....maximize and safeguard the revenues of the member institutions. The only difference would be that the new group would consist of the smaller percentage of schools from the conferences making the big money, as their self-interests are increasingly running counter to that of other NCAA institutions.

And in reply to an earlier comment, athletes should absolutely have the opportunity to earn a "regular" degree if they so choose and are willing to make that commitment, so long as they meet all of the same qualifications and standards as every other student is expected to. I definitely wouldn't force them into any one program. Playing college sports should still afford them the same opportunity to get an education that it does now....I'm just saying don't force the kids who don't want it and aren't cut out for it to go through the motions, because not only is it a waste of time and money, but they probably won't retain much of anything they "learned" anyway.

[DJ MC]

Former UNC Player Details Academic Fraud, Says "Everybody Knew"

 

Powell quoted former football coach Butch Davis as telling players, "If you all came here for an education, you should have gone to Harvard," while explaining that players were directed to take classes in the now-notorious AFAM department.

 

It gets better.

[BSLChrisStoner]

CBS Sports: Report: '04-'05 Title team had multiple players taking phony classes

http://www.cbssports...g-phony-courses

[DJ MC]

UNC Athletes Were Steered To School's Sports Ethics Professor

 

All I can think of is this:

 

[bnickle]

This happens pretty much everywhere. The NCAA sucks. We all agree.

Let's not use that to excuse this university or lessen what should be a severe punishment. Disgusting by a University that likes to thumb their noses up at a lot of others.

[DJ MC]

Two former North Carolina athletes sue school, NCAA over academic scandal

 

 Among the allegations made in the lawsuit are that North Carolina failed to provide “academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction,” and that the NCAA was negligent in its work to prohibit academic fraud from occurring.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Wow. That's an opportunistic lawsuit if I've ever seen one. That's ridiculous.

[DJ MC]

Wow. That's an opportunistic lawsuit if I've ever seen one. That's ridiculous.

 

Maybe. But if they can show that they were directed toward these particular classes by the university, and especially if it can be shown as endemic within the sport as a class-action, that would be very dangerous for the NCAA, let alone UNC.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Wow. That's an opportunistic lawsuit if I've ever seen one. That's ridiculous.

 
Maybe. But if they can show that they were directed toward these particular classes by the university, and especially if it can be shown as endemic within the sport as a class-action, that would be very dangerous for the NCAA, let alone UNC.

Good point.

[DJ MC]

Deadspin: NCAA Alleges Lack Of Institutional Control At UNC

[RShack]

Deadspin: NCAA Alleges Lack Of Institutional Control At UNC

 

They're just now getting around to it?   

[BSLChrisStoner]

Sports on Earth: UNC reveals NCAA allegations

http://www.sportsone...utional-control

[DJ MC]

http://collegefootba...ation-not-ncaa/

 

They've had their status as an accredited university placed on probation for a year, with the possibility of having it revoked. That's for the whole school.

[Dr. FLK]

Wait...so you mean to tell me that highly-recruited athletes pick their schools based off of athletics...and then the people who run said athletics expect them to be more committed to athletics than academics!  And then...when said kid who did not care about academics doesn't make it in athletics as he expected, he blames his former athletic department for not forcing him into taking hard classes knowing full well that, if they had, he would have just gone to another school that let him focus on sports?  Nothing like some good, ole' fashioned personal responsibility.

[RShack]

Wait...so you mean to tell me that highly-recruited athletes pick their schools based off of athletics...and then the people who run said athletics expect them to be more committed to athletics than academics!  And then...when said kid who did not care about academics doesn't make it in athletics as he expected, he blames his former athletic department for not forcing him into taking hard classes knowing full well that, if they had, he would have just gone to another school that let him focus on sports?  Nothing like some good, ole' fashioned personal responsibility.

 

The grown-ups are s'posed to be modeling responsible behavior for the kids... set a good example, etc.  

 

In this scenario, the university has the responsibility to be grown-ups. They're s'posed to set high standards and challenge the kids to rise to those standards. They're not s'posed to sink down to whatever half-assed standards the immature jock kids want to slide by on.  Blaming the kids for this is ridiculous. The university did it.  For decades.

 

What "responsibility" means starts at the top and filters down. Thats true whether it's a good example or a bad example.  It's absurd to expect the kids to show personal responsibility when their superiors who run the joint don't.

[Dr. FLK]

The grown-ups are s'posed to be modeling responsible behavior for the kids... set a good example, etc.  

 

In this scenario, the university has the responsibility to be grown-ups. They're s'posed to set high standards and challenge the kids to rise to those standards. They're not s'posed to sink down to whatever half-assed standards the immature jock kids want to slide by on.  Blaming the kids for this is ridiculous. The university did it.  For decades.

 

What "responsibility" means starts at the top and filters down. Thats true whether it's a good example or a bad example.  It's absurd to expect the kids to show personal responsibility when their superiors who run the joint don't.

 

I don't disagree at all.  But, the NCAA is blaming the universities for participating in problems that the NCAA created.  If all of a sudden schools start acting like 'academic institutions', then players will just go to the schools that don't.

[RShack]

If all of a sudden schools start acting like 'academic institutions', then players will just go to the schools that don't.

 

'Just another reason to root for Georgia Tech  

[SportsGuy]

'Just another reason to root for Georgia Tech  

#Teixeira

[SBTarheel]

'Just another reason to root for Georgia Tech  

HA!!! 

 

Cremins would NEVER do anything shady..

 

#irishmafia