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[mweb08]

So if the Nets resign D-Will and get Howard to go along with Joe JOhnson, where does that put them in the Eastern Conference hierarchy? I'd put them #1 personally, I think they'd be better than the Heat and the Bulls*

*Of course this depends on whether or not the Nets' bench is full of useful role players or not.

It would very much depend on the rest of the roster, but Miami's big 3 would easily be better in terms of talent, but NJ's would fit better.

LeBron is better than Howard, even though Dwight is a top 3 or so player.
Wade, if healthy, is easily better than Williams.
Bosh is a top 20 player, while Johnson is more like a top 40 player imo.

Chicago has a better team imo, but of course has injury issues.

[PD24]

It would very much depend on the rest of the roster, but Miami's big 3 would easily be better in terms of talent, but NJ's would fit better.

LeBron is better than Howard, even though Dwight is a top 3 or so player.
Wade, if healthy, is easily better than Williams.
Bosh is a top 20 player, while Johnson is more like a top 40 player imo.

Chicago has a better team imo, but of course has injury issues.

Agree with your points 1 and 3 but I don't think it's clear that Wade is "easily better" than Williams.

I'll take Williams over any PG in the game, including Chris Paul.

[mweb08]

Agree with your points 1 and 3 but I don't think it's clear that Wade is "easily better" than Williams.

I'll take Williams over any PG in the game, including Chris Paul.

What is your argument for him being the best PG? I don't even think it's close.

When healthy, Wade has been a a top 5 ish player, DWill hasn't been at that level imo, but I suppose you disagree since you think he's the best PG.

[mweb08]

The Heat have signed Ray Allen.

If he can stay healthy, this will be a big acquisition for the Heat.

[SportsGuy]

The Heat have signed Ray Allen.

If he can stay healthy, this will be a big acquisition for the Heat.

And there is your title team.

[SportsGuy]

DWill said he went to the Nets because of Johnson trade.

[mweb08]

DWill said he went to the Nets because of Johnson trade.

Maybe, but he probably would have went there just with a Howard trade.

Regardless, Johnson has one of the worst contracts in the NBA for a guy who is healthy. However, they're doing the right thing by putting all their chips in the pot considering some of their past poor moves, which would look significantly worse if they lost DWill and didn't get Howard.

[mweb08]

A good article on the Hornets singing Ryan Anderson and mid level deals like that in general.

http://nba-point-for... ... n-hornets/

Also, the Pacers have matched the Blazers offer to Hibbert.

And Howard to the Nets is looking more likely with the Nets offering Lopez and 3-4 first round picks along with others. It's a pretty complicated deal though that relies on factors neither team can control.

[SportsGuy]

A good article on the Hornets singing Ryan Anderson and mid level deals like that in general.

http://nba-point-for... ... n-hornets/

Also, the Pacers have matched the Blazers offer to Hibbert.

And Howard to the Nets is looking more likely with the Nets offering Lopez and 3-4 first round picks along with others. It's a pretty complicated deal though that relies on factors neither team can control.

Indiana had to match that Hibbert offer IMO.

Orlando not likely to walk away with a lot in this deal because the draft picks won't be that high but it may not get much better than that.

I read that Bynum said he would sign a long term deal in Cleveland.

I am surprised that some 3 team deal where Cleveland and the Lakers trade some first rounders/players to the Magic, Bynum to Cle and Howard to LA.

[mweb08]

Indiana had to match that Hibbert offer IMO.

Orlando not likely to walk away with a lot in this deal because the draft picks won't be that high but it may not get much better than that.

I read that Bynum said he would sign a long term deal in Cleveland.

I am surprised that some 3 team deal where Cleveland and the Lakers trade some first rounders/players to the Magic, Bynum to Cle and Howard to LA.

Well what players would be attractive to Orlando? At least they're getting Brook Lopez from the Nets.

[SportsGuy]

Well what players would be attractive to Orlando? At least they're getting Brook Lopez from the Nets.

Good question...Have to look into it.

Is it possible for this to turn into a 4 team trade where say Minnesota ends up with Gasol and Derrick Williams ends up in Orlando?

Something like that.

I think a deal is certainly out there where Orlando can end up with a good enough package that it will be worth dealing him.

Of course, this just complicates things even more.

It just seems that the Lakers desire to get Howard, Bynum happy to sign In cle and Orlando open to trading Howard, that a deal is there but again, its easier to just deal whats out there right now, if Clev can get what they want.

[mweb08]

They could do this:

Cavs get Bynum
Lakers get Howard, Varejo, Webster/Miller
Magic get Williams, Pekovic, Thompson
Wolves get Gasol

Add a pick or two. Lakers don't have any to deal, though.

[BSLMikeLowe]

A good article on the Hornets singing Ryan Anderson and mid level deals like that in general.

http://nba-point-for... ... n-hornets/

Also, the Pacers have matched the Blazers offer to Hibbert.

And Howard to the Nets is looking more likely with the Nets offering Lopez and 3-4 first round picks along with others. It's a pretty complicated deal though that relies on factors neither team can control.

No surprise Indiana matched. Blazers should let Batum go to Minnesota now, or try to do a sign-and-trade if they can get anything worthwhile, and go total rebuild. Batum is not a $12 mil/yr player, but it was justifiable to match using Bird Rights on him if he could have been on a front line with Hibbert and Aldridge. But minus Hibbert, it just doesn't make sense to overpay Batum. Go with the young guys already on the roster, fill in with min. salary vets as needed, and save the cap flexibility for next summer.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Cavs, Clippers, Magic and Nets all at the table.

[SportsGuy]

Cavs, Clippers, Magic and Nets all at the table.

What a monster, complicated deal this is going to be!

[JeremyStrain]

What a monster, complicated deal this is going to be!

You have to be loving every second. Come on, be honest, you've been on the trade calculator site with a note pad sketching out possibilities for 30 min haven't you?

[SportsGuy]

You have to be loving every second. Come on, be honest, you've been on the trade calculator site with a note pad sketching out possibilities for 30 min haven't you?

Nah...not into the NBA enough to do that.

But I do love it and it amazes me that these things don't happen in baseball. It's more complicated to do it in the NBA yet they happen pretty regularly.

[mweb08]

Nah...not into the NBA enough to do that.

But I do love it and it amazes me that these things don't happen in baseball. It's more complicated to do it in the NBA yet they happen pretty regularly.

Part of the reason it does happen is because it's more complicated in the NBA.

To make it work under the rules teams have to bring in additional teams from time to time. No such issue in the MLB. Plus, there's a lot more to trade from an MLB organization so it's more likely that two teams can match up well enough to pull the trigger.

[SportsGuy]

BTW,how much of a hypocrit is Dan Gilbert? The same guy that cried about the Paul trade and LeBron leaving because of the super team aspect..now, he is potentially helping the Nets do the same thing because he benefits now, I really can't stand the man.

[SportsGuy]

The Magic are exploring other deals now.

Apparently, the Lakers are the most likely.

So, how does this 4 team trade look IYO(it works according to the trade machine):

Lakers get:

Howard
Hedo
Richardson
B Miller

Wolves get:

Gasol
Walton

Cle gets:

Bynum
Webster
Ellington

Orlando gets:

D Williams
T Thompson
Ridnour
Gibson
Varajeo
1st round pick from Cle
1st round pick from Minn

So, what do you guys think of this deal?

Is LA getting enough back by trading BOTH Gasol and Bynum?(although long term money saved may make this worth it to them)

Is Orlando getting enough back with Williams, Thompson and the 2 first rounders?

Minnesota and Clev end up fine IMO.