HOF
Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:24 PM
The cheaters are always ahead of the testers.Hes 40. Who cares. He knows his reputation is beyond tarnished anyway. Gun to my head, I'm saying he's on something. The question is how much of it is illegal. Has MLB given him any exemptions to take stuff like TRT.
That said, it'd be quite the risk for him to be using now.
HOF
Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:26 PM
The cheaters are always ahead of the testers.Hes 40. Who cares. He knows his reputation is beyond tarnished anyway. Gun to my head, I'm saying he's on something. The question is how much of it is illegal. Has MLB given him any exemptions to take stuff like TRT.
That said, it'd be quite the risk for him to be using now.
HOF
Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:29 PM
I certainly won't be talked out of not understanding how a guy like ARod gets any benefit of the doubt at this point though.
You're couching it in terms of "benefit of the doubt", which is not the right way to look at it based on what those arguing with you are saying. The opposing view is generally not, "He didn't do anything," but, "Who the hell cares?"
And for the record, I notice you're not wondering what the young Miami-raised guy who saw a 75-point slugging increase this year and hangs out with Rodriguez is on 
HOF
Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:31 PM
I certainly won't be talked out of not understanding how a guy like ARod gets any benefit of the doubt at this point though.
You're couching it in terms of "benefit of the doubt", which is not the right way to look at it based on what those arguing with you are saying. The opposing view is generally not, "He didn't do anything," but, "Who the hell cares?"
And for the record, I notice you're not wondering what the young Miami-raised guy who saw a 75-point slugging increase this year and hangs out with Rodriguez is on
Fair-weather ex-diehard
Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:37 PM
You guys think ARod was using steroids this year? I wonder how many times he was tested.
The steroid witch hunt continues to amuse me.
Of course he was... they never did catch him before, just like they won't catch him now... he wasn't suspended for flunking tests, he was suspended because of other evidence...
The tests don't mean much when the chemists who work for the testers lag behind the chemists who work for the users.... we *know* he was using before and never got caught when it mattered... so why would you think he's not using now? Because 40 year olds heal so good and hit like that?
"The only change is that baseball has turned Paige from a second-class citizen to a second-class immortal." - Satchel Paige
I Miss McNulty
Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:43 PM
Of course he was... they never did catch him before, just like they won't catch him now... he wasn't suspended for flunking tests, he was suspended because of other evidence...
The tests don't mean much when the chemists who work for the testers lag behind the chemists who work for the users.... we *know* he was using before and never got caught when it mattered... so why would you think he's not using now? Because 40 year olds heal so good and hit like that?
It's cool how you always know exactly what is going on behind the scenes with everything. It must make life real easy.
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
la cerveza está muy fría
Posted 04 October 2015 - 10:01 PM
He's quite unlikeable for a few reasons, but the negativity he got for his transgressions was totally out of proportion with his actions. I found him, at least this season, to be a sympathetic character.
He's a douche, and a liar, but the way MLB and the media drug him around wasn't OK (to me).
Honestly, I'm glad we got through an entire season with very little heard from the guy.
@fuzydunlop
I Miss McNulty
Posted 04 October 2015 - 10:11 PM
He's quite unlikeable for a few reasons, but the negativity he got for his transgressions was totally out of proportion with his actions. I found him, at least this season, to be a sympathetic character.
He's a douche, and a liar, but the way MLB and the media drug him around wasn't OK (to me).
Honestly, I'm glad we got through an entire season with very little heard from the guy.
There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note
"Now OPS sucks. Got it."
"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."
"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty
@bopper33
Fair-weather ex-diehard
Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:04 AM
It's cool how you always know exactly what is going on behind the scenes with everything. It must make life real easy.
But what do you think? We know he was using before and didn't get caught by the tests.... that's not conjecture. Given that, why do you think he's not using now?
"The only change is that baseball has turned Paige from a second-class citizen to a second-class immortal." - Satchel Paige
OTV
Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:25 AM
It's cool how you always know exactly what is going on behind the scenes with everything. It must make life real easy.
But what do you think? We know he was using before and didn't get caught by the tests.... that's not conjecture. Given that, why do you think he's not using now?
Fair-weather ex-diehard
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:18 PM
The Orioles organization has been known to be poorly run and hamstrung by owner Peter Angelos which in turn causes turmoil internally. Given that, what makes you think that's not happening now despite sources to the contrary? (Seriously... No kidding... I just really want to know... Etc...)
Do you have a point? Or do you think an owner who has caused his team to have a few ups and a big long down is just like a player who used steroids without being caught?
More to the point, do you think ARod quit using? If so, why do you think that?
"The only change is that baseball has turned Paige from a second-class citizen to a second-class immortal." - Satchel Paige
HOF
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:21 PM
Because 40 year olds heal so good and hit like that?
20 year-olds don't put up 1000+ OPS seasons either. So he was definitely cheating as far back as 1996 by your analysis.
OTV
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:37 PM
The Orioles organization has been known to be poorly run and hamstrung by owner Peter Angelos which in turn causes turmoil internally. Given that, what makes you think that's not happening now despite sources to the contrary? (Seriously... No kidding... I just really want to know... Etc...)
Do you have a point? Or do you think an owner who has caused his team to have a few ups and a big long down is just like a player who used steroids without being caught?
More to the point, do you think ARod quit using? If so, why do you think that?
Fair-weather ex-diehard
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:43 PM
20 year-olds don't put up 1000+ OPS seasons either. So he was definitely cheating as far back as 1996 by your analysis.
I have no idea when he started... but I know he was good enough all by himself that he didn't need to... which is the sad part... (same thing with Bonds...)
I wouldn't be surprised if he started before we ever heard of him... I also wouldn't be surprised if he started about the time he signed the quarter-$billion contract with TX... I would be very surprised if he didn't start until much later than that...
We know he was using and didn't get caught... do you think he stopped despite not getting caught?
"The only change is that baseball has turned Paige from a second-class citizen to a second-class immortal." - Satchel Paige
Banned
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:50 PM
HOF
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:56 PM
We know he was using and didn't get caught... do you think he stopped despite not getting caught?
He was suspended for a year. How is that not getting caught?
He didn't fail a test (except when he did in 2003 but it was supposed to be anonymous and without penalties), but I don't think the level of security you think he must have because of that fact would mean he's absolutely using again. What's to stop MLB from finding a supplier or someone else again and using that evidence to get another suspension?
Fair-weather ex-diehard
Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:59 PM
He was suspended for a year. How is that not getting caught?
He didn't fail a test (except when he did in 2003 but it was supposed to be anonymous and without penalties), but I don't think the level of security you think he must have because of that fact would mean he's absolutely using again. What's to stop MLB from finding a supplier or someone else again and using that evidence to get another suspension?
The point is that the testing didn't get him suspended, the paperwork did... and do you really think that a once-burnt ARod, even as stupid as he is, can't easily buy a supply chain that keeps him invisible?
"The only change is that baseball has turned Paige from a second-class citizen to a second-class immortal." - Satchel Paige
HOF
Posted 05 October 2015 - 05:21 PM
The point is that the testing didn't get him suspended, the paperwork did... and do you really think that a once-burnt ARod, even as stupid as he is, can't easily buy a supply chain that keeps him invisible?
Why didn't he do that the first time?
HOF
Posted 05 October 2015 - 05:52 PM
Haters gonna hate.
HOF
Posted 05 October 2015 - 05:56 PM
Haters gonna hate.
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