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#2321 BSLMikeLowe

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Posted 28 May 2024 - 12:00 AM

That '78 Blazer team started 50-10 and looked poised to tear through the playoffs once more until the injuries--starting with Walton--set in. 

 

Much of the medical knowledge used to treat today's players comes from case studies of Walton's feet back in the 1970s and 1980s. Given the number of careers that have been saved as a result of the orthopedic knowledge gained as a result, you could argue that Walton's feet deserve to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. Special contributors or something of that nature.

 

Had MRIs been ubiquitous when he played in Portland (I think it was not long after he left they began clinical use) maybe things could have gone differently. I know he wasn't happy with how the Blazers handled his and other teammates injuries and that's why he wanted out. Fortunately time healed that wound and while he didn't visit Portland all that frequently he was always celebrated by the franchise and the city when he did.

 

Walton told a story about getting a physical at Mass General after the Clippers traded him to the Celtics, and he's like "don't look at my feet or I'll never pass." Red Auerbach walked in and the doctors are like "uh, look at this. Are you sure about this?" Auerbach asked Walton if he believed he could still play. Walton said yes. Auerbach took a big drag of his cigar (yes, in a hospital) and said, "I'm in charge here, and he passes." Walton went on to win 6th Man of the Year and the Celtics won the title. I don't remember watching him play here in Portland, and what little he was able to play with the Clippers was mostly in obscurity, but I definitely remember him that season in Boston. Even though he was a backup, for the minutes he was on the court with Bird it was sick to watch the passing.



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Posted 28 May 2024 - 09:04 AM

Walton turned down an opportunity to play for the 1972 Olympic team, the one that went on to lose to the Soviets in a controversial finish. Had Walton played, there would have been no controversial finish.

Agree 100%.

Walton was that good.

 

And JMO, it wasn't controversial, that game was stolen.


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Posted 28 May 2024 - 09:40 AM

Agree 100%.
Walton was that good.

And JMO, it wasn't controversial, that game was stolen.


Yeah it was.
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Posted 03 June 2024 - 06:14 PM

Larry Allen. 52.

#2325 BSLMikeLowe

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Posted 12 June 2024 - 09:48 AM

“The Logo,” Jerry West, 86.



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Posted 12 June 2024 - 10:35 AM

“The Logo” Jerry West. 86

Was a hell of a player.  "RIP Zeke from Cabin Creek."


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Posted 13 June 2024 - 12:25 AM

West is still the only player from a losing team to be named Finals MVP, which happened in 1969 against the Celtics when he averaged 37.9 ppg. in the seven-game series. West's Laker teams reached the Finals a remarkable nine times, but only prevailed once, in 1972, when Los Angeles won a then-record 69 games and went on to beat the Knicks in five games in the Finals.  

 

The Celtics were West's and the Lakers kryptonite, defeating them each and every time the two teams met in the Finals during the 1960s. Six of Bill Russell's record 11 championships came at the expense of West and the Lakers. 



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Posted 13 June 2024 - 12:26 AM

Was a hell of a player.  "RIP Zeke from Cabin Creek."

Quickest and truest 20-foot jumper since, well, nobody.



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:05 PM

Willie Mays
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Posted 18 June 2024 - 09:55 PM

It sucks this isn't the 1980s so we could be regaled with stories of folks having seen Willie freakin Mays in his prime. 



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 10:29 PM

It sucks this isn't the 1980s so we could be regaled with stories of folks having seen Willie freakin Mays in his prime. 


Yeah but we can regale younger generations with stories of watching juiced up hackers like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, etc.



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 10:34 PM

Seems like the consensus was that Mays was the greatest living ballplayer. So who takes the mantle now?



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 11:06 PM

Seems like the consensus was that Mays was the greatest living ballplayer. So who takes the mantle now?

Sandy Koufax.



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 11:54 PM

Sandy Koufax.


That’s a tough one. Some would say no one who plays in less than a quarter of his team’s games should count. The other school of thought is Koufax would be even more revered and maybe a shoo-in had injuries not cut his career short in his prime.

 

If we do include pitchers, would think Maddux and Johnson get some votes. If it’s just position players, and only those who were never connected to PED usage, who is there? Schmidt? Yastrzemski? Griffey Jr?



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 11:57 PM


That’s a tough one. Some would say no one who plays in less than a quarter of his team’s games should count. The other school of thought is Koufax would be even more revered and maybe a shoo-in had injuries not cut his career short in his prime.

 

If we do include pitchers, would think Maddux and Johnson get some votes. If it’s just position players, and only those who were never connected to PED usage, who is there? Schmidt? Yastrzemski? Griffey Jr?

Johnny Bench or Pete Rose. The latter may be personna non grata in baseball for reasons we all know, but it's safe to say that every one of those hits he got were legit.


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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:14 AM

Seems like the consensus was that Mays was the greatest living ballplayer. So who takes the mantle now?


Bonds.

But for those that want to do the no connection to PEDs version: Rickey Henderson and Mike Schmidt have cases as position players and then there's plenty of pitching candidates including Maddux, Johnson, and Pedro.
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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:27 AM

Johnny Bench or Pete Rose. The latter may be personna non grata in baseball for reasons we all know, but it's safe to say that every one of those hits he got were legit.


Rose probably gets dinged more for not being the power hitter a lot of other guys in the conversation were, and while he played several different positions he wasn’t known as elite at any of them.



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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:32 AM

Era played and generation will probably factor in heavily. Not that this an official award, of course, but guys like Mays and Koufax now represent a time in which the living legacy is dwindling rapidly. Once they're gone, then guys like Henderson, Schmidt, Pedro and the Big Unit will move up in the pecking order.



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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:40 AM

Era played and generation will probably factor in heavily. Not that this an official award, of course, but guys like Mays and Koufax now represent a time in which the living legacy is dwindling rapidly. Once they're gone, then guys like Henderson, Schmidt, Pedro and the Big Unit will move up in the pecking order.


It does feel like this is one of those titles where you get the reverse of recency bias. Mike Trout would probably never enter anyone’s mind, but maybe he should.



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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:46 AM


That’s a tough one. Some would say no one who plays in less than a quarter of his team’s games should count. The other school of thought is Koufax would be even more revered and maybe a shoo-in had injuries not cut his career short in his prime.

 

If we do include pitchers, would think Maddux and Johnson get some votes. If it’s just position players, and only those who were never connected to PED usage, who is there? Schmidt? Yastrzemski? Griffey Jr?

While I've always thought of Yaz as a great player, I've never considered him the greatest, regardless of context. 

 

Steve Carlton would certainly garner some votes as well.






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