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#21 ivanbalt

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 07:13 AM

I get people on an Orioles board won't happily praise a Yankee but I don't know how someone with 3000 K's, 250 wins and a Cy Young isn't an obvious HOFer 


Yeah the old standard of 300 wins isn't really happening anymore with the changes to the game.  CC was awesome before he went to the Yankees so I'm good with his selection.

 

The 2026 ballot is pretty rough.  I'd be ok with no selections.


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#22 mweb08

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 03:28 PM

Agree but this is the HOVG now.

 

Do you think this is a recent change?



#23 mweb08

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 03:30 PM

Sabathia being a 1st ballot guy is laughable.

 

I don't care all that much about 1st ballot, but I'll just point out this: 

 

Mussina >> CC


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#24 BaltBird 24

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 03:54 PM

Crazy that it took Mussina six ballots compared to CC's first ballot. Mussina had a career WAR of 82 compared to CC's 62.
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#25 BaltBird 24

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 03:58 PM

Also may go to show the shift of what the voters feel is a HOF level pitcher in just that short amount of time. Mussina had to go against Maddux, Johnson, Martinez, Glavine, Clemens for his ERA of pitching.
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Posted 24 January 2025 - 04:36 PM

Also may go to show the shift what the voters feel is a HOF level pitcher in just that short amount of time. Mussina had to go against Maddux, Johnson, Martinez, Glavine, Clemens for his ERA of pitching.

 

Mussina also debuted on a pretty crowded ballot. Biggio, Piazza, Edgar and Bagwell were among some of the other people on his first ballot attracting votes who didn't get in that year

 

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#27 CantonJester

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Posted 25 January 2025 - 01:06 AM

Also may go to show the shift of what the voters feel is a HOF level pitcher in just that short amount of time. Mussina had to go against Maddux, Johnson, Martinez, Glavine, Clemens for his ERA of pitching.

 

In the steroid era. 

 

Moose was a freakin stud. 



#28 SBTarheel

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 12:41 PM

I don't really care about the first ballot thing at all, but yea, I never really felt I was watching a first ballot HOF guy while watching Sabathia pitch. He was great, and I have zero issue with him being elected, but I agree with the above sentiments about Mussina being significantly better. 

 

To be fair, I think Mussina was better than quite a few guys that got in way easier than he did (Tom Glavine stands out for me), but i digress. 


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Posted 27 January 2025 - 12:44 PM

Mussina and Glavine were very similar, Mussina actually had a slightly better WAR, but Glavine was always going to be 1st ballot with 305 wins and two CYA.

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 12:53 PM

Mussina and Glavine were very similar, Mussina actually had a slightly better WAR, but Glavine was always going to be 1st ballot with 305 wins and two CYA.

Agreed, and it wasn't so much Glavine getting in, it was more Mussina having to "struggle" to get in. 


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#31 Nigel Tufnel

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 01:59 PM

Do you think this is a recent change?

 

It's a change for the sportswriters - they were always pretty strict about HOF standards.  But after 75 years of questionable decisions by the various veterans' committees, I think the writers recently decided to join the big hall party.


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#32 mweb08

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 02:16 PM

It's a change for the sportswriters - they were always pretty strict about HOF standards. But after 75 years of questionable decisions by the various veterans' committees, I think the writers recently decided to join the big hall party.


Perhaps to a degree, but the writers have had plenty of questionable decisions themselves. I agree that the veterans committee has generally been more egregious though.

#33 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 02:26 PM

Clearly enough voters play games with their votes. They dont make it as black and white as you're either a HOFer or not. Look how many players progressively climb in votes each year. The last however many years you've seen the guys who trend in the right way and will ultimately make it in. Wagner being the latest example. Obviously, Im fine with that because I wouldn't vote certain guys on first ballot but it seems their is more criticism for not voting a guy like Sabathia 1st ballot then there is for withholding a vote for a Rolen or Wagner til the final few ballots






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