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2024 Game 151: 9/17 San Francisco 6:35PM


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#101 BaltBird 24

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Posted 17 September 2024 - 08:48 PM

You can't tell me there's not a coaching/ FO issue. I'm not buying anything else.
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Posted 17 September 2024 - 08:51 PM

You can't tell me there's not a coaching/ FO issue. I'm not buying anything else.


Yup

#103 Mackus

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Posted 17 September 2024 - 08:53 PM


You can't tell me there's not a coaching/ FO issue. I'm not buying anything else.


Player leadership has to be in question as well, especially the position players. Can't have a disappointment like this without questioning almost everything.
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Posted 17 September 2024 - 08:59 PM

Player leadership has to be in question as well, especially the position players. Can't have a disappointment like this without questioning almost everything.


Yeah how do you not question everything when nothing is going well?

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Posted 17 September 2024 - 09:08 PM

I don't know what your definition of a bust is. But if a player is really good but gets a serious injury and they comeback and can't play near that level they used to, that is not considered a bust. Now if a highly touted player came up and was bad or even mediocre and never got better than that, then you'd have an argument. But because of injury, that doesn't make someone a bust.

And FYI, I'm not a bright eyed optimist. The team stinks right now and I sure don't like our chances.
All I'm doing is just pointing out the holes in your argumen.


There have been countless players in history who didn’t reach their potential (or even close) because of injury. Not their fault — but that qualifies as a bust.

Was Brien Taylor a bust?

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

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Posted 17 September 2024 - 09:10 PM

Ok let me make you all feel a bit better. My wife's brother and his wife are here from WA so we are watching the Mariners game.

Bottom of the first. Ms have 2 outs and bases loaded. Batter is ahead on a 3-0 count. Julio Rodriguez is on 3rd. Jack ass tried to steal home. Didnt make it. IDIOT

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Posted 17 September 2024 - 09:42 PM

I get we were facing a LHP tonight so you wanna hit your RH HITTERS. But here's the thing. Slater, Jimenez, Soto, Mayo...they're all garbage. You let Mullins hit against Snell, why not OHearn and Kjerstad? They're infinitely better than the RH scrubs on the team. And I don't care what the splits say. Those guys are absolute trash and its an embarrassment we traded for them, Mayo notwithstanding.

At this point, put up your best hitters regardless of who is pitching.
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Posted 17 September 2024 - 09:46 PM

Didn't watch a single pitch of this game or read a single post in this thread, yet just from glancing at the box I can't help but assume they must have hit a whole new low for the season tonight.



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Posted 17 September 2024 - 09:46 PM

It goes without saying that was an embarrassment and I'm furious I drove down there and back in awful traffic. On top of this team quitting in late June traffic has been awful this year with the bridge out. And the weather hasn't helped. I have tickets for Friday and I have decided I'm not going. For one the team sucks and two I am sick of driving down there to watch my,teams continue to not show up. I need a break from this shit and I literally just had one being in Italy for two weeks. This deal can crush your soul.
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Posted 17 September 2024 - 09:47 PM

Didn't watch a single pitch of this game or read a single post in this thread, yet just from glancing at the box I can't help but assume they must have hit a whole new low for the season tonight.


Yup and they have been hitting new lows for a few weeks now. Wonder what tomorrow will bring, a female pitcher throwing a no hitter against us?
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 03:23 AM

And since you brought up Rodriguez and Bradish. Both are clearly still in bust territory — obviously for different reasons.


This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 03:59 AM

I get we were facing a LHP tonight so you wanna hit your RH HITTERS. But here's the thing. Slater, Jimenez, Soto, Mayo...they're all garbage. You let Mullins hit against Snell, why not OHearn and Kjerstad? They're infinitely better than the RH scrubs on the team. And I don't care what the splits say. Those guys are absolute trash and its an embarrassment we traded for them, Mayo notwithstanding.

At this point, put up your best hitters regardless of who is pitching.

Well, Slater and Soto ( who actually batted from the left side last night) were acquired for virtually nothing. I think both guys have done fairly well in their roles with the Orioles.

To your overall point, Cowser doesn't hit lefties well, O'Hearn has been struggling mightily, and I wouldn't have used Kjerstad against a tough lefty either. Besides, Snell was outstanding last night. Sometimes you have to give the other guys credit too.
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 05:19 AM

When s**t starts rolling downhill its tough for anyone to stop. I know Mack and others will say we dont have enough info to make a judgement on Hyde behind the scenes. IMO you can usually sense and feel good leaders relatively quickly and often without much info. Ive said for a long time I didnt think he could get this team on track once they hit real adversity. Hes along for the ride with no control over the ship. This team is lifeless and as positive as I try to be they also feel damn near hopeless.


And yes there also needs to be questions about the players leadership. They are collectively a pretty soft group. They arent fiery enough for me and I get some people thing that stuff is overrated. You dont gain anthing by barking at umps. You dont gain anything by throwing at the Yanks after they throw at you 3 or 4 times in a row. I disagree. I want a few known clubhouse vets and I want an experienced no nonsense manager in here for next year.



Of course I'll still hold out that they can somehow flip a switch and make a push in the playoffs. Would happily deal with Hyde for awhile longer if they win a ring.
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:06 AM

When s**t starts rolling downhill its tough for anyone to stop. I know Mack and others will say we dont have enough info to make a judgement on Hyde behind the scenes. IMO you can usually sense and feel good leaders relatively quickly and often without much info. Ive said for a long time I didnt think he could get this team on track once they hit real adversity. Hes along for the ride with no control over the ship. This team is lifeless and as positive as I try to be they also feel damn near hopeless.


And yes there also needs to be questions about the players leadership. They are collectively a pretty soft group. They arent fiery enough for me and I get some people thing that stuff is overrated. You dont gain anthing by barking at umps. You dont gain anything by throwing at the Yanks after they throw at you 3 or 4 times in a row. I disagree. I want a few known clubhouse vets and I want an experienced no nonsense manager in here for next year.



Of course I'll still hold out that they can somehow flip a switch and make a push in the playoffs. Would happily deal with Hyde for awhile longer if they win a ring.

Good post.

I think Hyde has to be given his share of blame for the second half tail spin. You're correct that we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes. However, the team does appear lifeless and they seemingly are playing like they don't expect good things to happen. That's on Hyde.

All that said, it's also amazing that they were in the division hunt for so long after the team had been wiped out with injuries. (I know, no team has been playing well during the second half.) I really think the Westburg and Mateo injuries have struck the Orioles the hardest. I think Westburg provided some quiet, gritty leadership along with his All Star play. Mateo's steady glove at second is sorely missed. Hopefully, Hyde stays with Soto as the primary second baseman for the balance of the season. Holliday has been a huge disappointment, particularly his defense. Let him watch the game for a while. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass and out of his own way. That error in Boston was indefensible. He simply wasn't ready to play on that play. That error was as much mental as it was physical.

Like Stoner said in the Positivity thread, hopefully they can get some people back and make a run in the playoffs. Stranger things have happened.
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:08 AM

If a new manager brings new hitting coaches I’m down, because functionally speaking, that’s the easy thing you can point your finger at IMO. The approach is always hit square on the controller no matter what, and don’t walk. It’s fun when it works but it’s brutal when it doesn’t. This offers has regressed significantly. They’re not winning anything in October.

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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:11 AM

Good post.

I think Hyde has to be given his share of blame for the second half tail spin. You're correct that we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes. However, the team does appear lifeless and they seemingly are playing like they don't expect good things to happen. That's on Hyde.

All that said, it's also amazing that they were in the division hunt for do long after the team had been wiped out with injuries. I really think the Westburg and Mateo injuries have struck the Orioles the hardest. I think Westburg provided some quiet, gritty leadership along with his All Star play. Mateo's steady glove at second is sorely missed. Hopefully, Hyde stays with Soto as the primary second baseman for the balance of the season. Holliday has been a huge disappointment, particularly his defense. Let him watch the game for a while. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass and out of his own way.

Like Stoner said in the Positivity thread, hopefully they can get some people back and make a run in the playoffs. Stranger things have happened.

He looks completely miserable in the dugout. I just think thats a vibe that a leader should never have. I get that all of this is tough right now but thats when leadership shines through the brightest.

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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:17 AM


If a new manager brings new hitting coaches I’m down, because functionally speaking, that’s the easy thing you can point your finger at IMO. The approach is always hit square on the controller no matter what, and don’t walk. It’s fun when it works but it’s brutal when it doesn’t. This offers has regressed significantly. They’re not winning anything in October.

Now this is where the FO really does have their fingers all over things. If they dont make a change to this aspect then its something that goes directly on them. They dictate the orgs hitting philosophy and hire the guys they want to teach it. Im not ready to call for the hitting coaches. The fact is overall the offensive numbers almost across the board are going to be in the top 10. But make no mistake if this continues to be an issue going forward its on the FO

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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:21 AM

He looks completely miserable in the dugout. I just think thats a vibe that a leader should never have. I get that all of this is tough right now but thats when leadership shines through the brightest.


I don't disagree.

He looks like He's expecting bad stuff to happen too.
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:31 AM

So when Hyde gets fired and a new super manager comes in to right all the wrongs, what happens if they don't go far in the playoffs?  Or worse, they regress further?  New manager every season?



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Posted 18 September 2024 - 07:37 AM

So when Hyde gets fired and a new super manager comes in to right all the wrongs, what happens if they don't go far in the playoffs? Or worse, they regress further? New manager every season?

There is no Steinbrenner-Martin dynamic anymore. Managers dont get fired after 1 year unless there is something really bad that happens. So no youre not going to have a manager every year.


Its hilarious though how some people feel the manager doesnt have to be accountable for anything. The FO is the one controlling all the aspects of the job. Or its always the injuries. Or its always the players. Must be nice to be paid so much money to be completely along for the ride.




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