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[mdrunning]

Max Scherzer is exactly who this team needs. 

I'll take Burnes and Scherzer in the first two games of any playoff series.

 

Michael Lorenzen would be worth asking about as well. Of course, this is all predicated on whether or not the Rangers can either begin to climb out of the hole they've dug themselves, or if they if they become convinced 2024 is a lost cause. They've got lots of issues, particularly on offense. There are numerous black holes in most of their traditional power spots.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Scherzer can’t be trusted. If he’s the target, it would have to be cheap. He’s incredibly fragile at this point in his career.

[weird-O]

The Rangers are 8 out of the last WC position, and need to leap over 6 teams. They have a better chance of taking the West at 9 games back, but only 2 teams to jump over. I don't think either option is doable, at this point. But no one wants to abandon their season too early. Still, if they have arms you want, press them while they're in town (if Young is with the team). 

 

Take on all of Scherzer's salary, and the trade cost shouldn't be astronomical. 

[Slidemaster]

Don't trade Heston.

[weird-O]

Don't trade Heston.

It's almost like he read this thread, and said, "I'll show those jerks"

[Mackus]

The thread isn't "trade Heston" it's "who's got more trade value?". If he has a great month with the bat and looks like he can play LF he could leapfrog Basallo, Mayo, or Holliday but right now he's behind those guys.

Frankly I don't see anyone available that I'd trade any of these guys for. I don't move any of them for Erick Fedde or Tanner Scott.

[weird-O]

What the hell was I thinking, trying to inject a little humor into this discussion. 

[BaltBird 24]

What the hell was I thinking, trying to inject a little humor into this discussion.

We don't have time for that here. We're in a pennant race.

[weird-O]

We don't have time for that here. We're in a pennant race.

[RichardZ]

The thread isn't "trade Heston" it's "who's got more trade value?". If he has a great month with the bat and looks like he can play LF he could leapfrog Basallo, Mayo, or Holliday but right now he's behind those guys.
Frankly I don't see anyone available that I'd trade any of these guys for. I don't move any of them for Erick Fedde or Tanner Scott.

And you shouldn’t have to.

Someone like Bradfield should get Scott.

Norby, McDermott, Beavers for Fedde

Maybe less but I’m erring on the side of what I think the other team would have a hard time saying no to.

[BaltBird 24]

Not sure I'm giving up that package for Fedde. Actually, absolutely no way I'm giving up that package for Fedde.

[BobPhelan]

And you shouldn’t have to.

Someone like Bradfield should get Scott.

Norby, McDermott, Beavers for Fedde

Maybe less but I’m erring on the side of what I think the other team would have a hard time saying no to.

Way too much for Fedde but I agree with your general point.

Norby, Brandon Young, a mid-level hitting prospect (Haskin, Rhodes, etc), and a mid-level pitching prospect (Pham, Armbruester, Brnovich, etc.) seems about right.

Maybe you can get Kopech and/or Pham in that deal as well.

[Mackus]

I'm warming to Eflin as the best, realistic SP target. Consistently capable mid-rotation guy, signed for $18M next season which means the Rays might want out for cheap.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Shop at the Rangers going out of business for '24 sale. Scherzer, Eovaldi, Heaney, Lorenzen are all pending FA. Eovaldi does have a vesting option but I dont think its an issue. Gray is signed in '25 for 13 mil. Yates, LeClerc, Robertson are all pending RP FAs. All rentals except Gray and maybe Eovaldi

[Mackus]

Not super enthused about Heaney or Lorenzen, but like all the others as targets.

[RichardZ]

Not sure I'm giving up that package for Fedde. Actually, absolutely no way I'm giving up that package for Fedde.

  

Way too much for Fedde but I agree with your general point.
Norby, Brandon Young, a mid-level hitting prospect (Haskin, Rhodes, etc), and a mid-level pitching prospect (Pham, Armbruester, Brnovich, etc.) seems about right.
Maybe you can get Kopech and/or Pham in that deal as well.

Haha. Then you agree we can get reinforcements without dipping into the ones who will hurt to part with.

[BSLChrisStoner]

There isn't a lot of point in trading for Feddie. 

 

Need to aim sites much higher. 

The AL East winner, plus the 2nd place team are 2 playoff teams.
Cleveland looks to be in, and seems likely Minnesota or KC will grab at-least one of the other two WCs.
Seattle and Houston will compete for the West, and Minnesota and KC for the WCs. 

 

Everyone else in the AL is done imo.

 

Tampa and Toronto are within 4 of the 3rd WC, so you can craft a viable argument I'm wrong...
But I guess my point is realistically they should realize they aren't good enough.
Do they trade in the division, idk? If I were them, I'd rather take prospects from my divisional foe, but whatever. 

Tampa, Toronto, Texas, Detroit, LAA, Oakland, Chicago in the AL. 

 

 

The NL is a mess.
Philly and LA figure to win the East, and West, especially with Atlanta losing Strider, and Acuna.
Milwaukee is 15 over .500, rest of the division is between 2 over, and 6 under .500.
Atlanta is taking one of the Wild Cards.
San Diego, St. Louis, and the Mets are the only other .500+ teams. 

 

If I'm Arizona, Pittsburgh, SF, DC, Cincinnati, Chicago C, Miami, Colorado... I feel I'm not good enough, even with AZ - Chicago all being just 2.5 to 4 games out of a WC. 

 

I'm not trading Holliday and Mayo.
I'm not excited about trading Basallo, and Kjerstad. 

But I'm going to Tampa, Toronto, Texas, Detroit, LAA, Oakland, Chicago, Arizona, Pittsburgh, SF, DC, Cincinnati, Chicago C, Miami, Colorado... and I'm finding a Front End starter, and one high leverage reliever. 
 

[Mike B]

I might trade Sammy and Norby and see what that gets us.

I see people saying HK, but I have been on the bandwagon for a couple of years now.  I think that swing is special.  I also get the idea that for right now he is not good defensively but that can develop.  

I understand this is a now situation, but I think HK is going to be a force.  I am keeping him.

[Mike B]

In a somewhat related topic, I got a call from a good friend who lives up in Horsham Pa, and is a Philly fan.  The topic on their sports sites is Cedric Mullins.  They think the Orioles will trade Cedric for a couple of B prospects.  Their logic is the Phillies are chasing a World Series.  He asked if there was any talk here.  I said no, because the Orioles are chasing the same thing.  I said put a starter or a leverage reliever and the discussion could begin.

[Mackus]

But I'm going to Tampa, Toronto, Texas, Detroit, LAA, Oakland, Chicago, Arizona, Pittsburgh, SF, DC, Cincinnati, Chicago C, Miami, Colorado... and I'm finding a Front End starter, and one high leverage reliever. 

 

The RP we can find, and I want two.

 

SP is trickier.  Who on these teams do you think is a front-end guy and going to be available?  Eflin, Bassitt, Gray, Eovaldi, Scherzer, Fedde, and Quantrill all interest me to varying degrees, but I don't think of any as front-end.  I'd be content to go into the playoffs with any of them as our 3rd starter and they are improvements over whomever of Povich, Kremer or Irvin gets bumped from the rotation.

 

Luzardo and Montgomery are kind of special cases, not sure how I feel about either.

 

Kikuchi, Lorenzen, Heaney, Anderson, Flaherty, Taillon, are guys I don't think I'm interested in.  Would take them over doing nothing, but all would feel similar to the Flaherty trade last year as only a minimally acceptable option and not an actual good move.

 

Crochet, Skubal, and the young Pittsburgh arms likely aren't really available, but would be intriguing enough to dangle one of the untouchables. Any other front-end guys I'm forgetting?