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[weird-O]

I love how all of these streaming services are just recreating cable TV - just with a less efficient distributed-node service that offers minimal cost benefit and selection options.

If Comcast was my only choice for TV service, I'd go with a streaming service. But that's based on the fact that Comcast sells an unreliable product, and they obviously take great pride in offering the worst customer service. Aside from that, I'm lost as to why streaming live TV at the same cost as cable/satellite is a giant leap forward. 

[CantonJester]

If Comcast was my only choice for TV service, I'd go with a streaming service. But that's based on the fact that Comcast sells an unreliable product, and they obviously take great pride in offering the worst customer service. Aside from that, I'm lost as to why streaming live TV at the same cost as cable/satellite is a giant leap forward. 

 

Fubo is a bad example with their hidden fees. YouTube TV is $73 ($78 if on Apple TV) for cloud DVR and streaming on your TV, tablet, phone. Xfinity's bare-bones package might be comparable, but I doubt it once you figure in the cable boxes you have to rent from them. Once you get beyond the introductory rates, the cable package might be twice as expensive. 

 

Cable's only leg to stand on re: live streaming platforms is they have the RSNs and yeah, MLB managed to tie their finances into that dying model. 

[weird-O]

Fubo is a bad example with their hidden fees. YouTube TV is $73 ($78 if on Apple TV) for cloud DVR and streaming on your TV, tablet, phone. Xfinity's bare-bones package might be comparable, but I doubt it once you figure in the cable boxes you have to rent from them. Once you get beyond the introductory rates, the cable package might be twice as expensive. 

 

Cable's only leg to stand on re: live streaming platforms is they have the RSNs and yeah, MLB managed to tie their finances into that dying model. 

That sounds like a good reason to make the move. From the comments in this thread, I was under the impression that the cost difference was negligible. I had YTTV last year, as a requirement for Sunday Ticket. It worked well, and it was able to watch MLB playoffs with no problem. 

[McNulty]

I love how all of these streaming services are just recreating cable TV - just with a less efficient distributed-node service that offers minimal cost benefit and selection options.

This is what people that still have cable tell themselves to rationalize how much they are overpaying.

And you do not need to subscribe to YTTV for Sunday Ticket. If you can wrangle a student email address from a friend/family, it’s 109$ for the year. No sub required either way.

[weird-O]

This is what people that still have cable tell themselves to rationalize how much they are overpaying.

And you do not need to subscribe to YTTV for Sunday Ticket. If you can wrangle a student email address from a friend/family, it’s 109$ for the year. No sub required either way.

Sunday ticket alone will let you watch the Sunday afternoon games, but that's it. 

[McNulty]

Sunday ticket alone will let you watch the Sunday afternoon games, but that's it.

An OTA antenna will get you most of the rest.

[Pedro Cerrano]

An OTA antenna will get you most of the rest.

 

Cool story.

[Dr. FLK]

This is what people that still have cable tell themselves to rationalize how much they are overpaying.

And you do not need to subscribe to YTTV for Sunday Ticket. If you can wrangle a student email address from a friend/family, it’s 109$ for the year. No sub required either way.

 

I thought we were talking about getting baseball and other programming as well - not just Sunday NFL games.  If the only thing you ever want to watch is NFl games then yes, I agree, there are cheaper ways to do it.

[McNulty]

Streaming is cheaper overall, and by a good margin. Thats what I was getting at.

[CantonJester]

Disney (Hulu) merges Fubo under its profile.

 

Curious if this means MASN is available on Hulu Live this season, or if I'm going to have to switch to Fubo again. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

Disney (Hulu) merges Fubo under its profile.

 

Curious if this means MASN is available on Hulu Live this season, or if I'm going to have to switch to Fubo again. 

 

Sounds like they will still be separate services, so you'd presumably need Fubo for MASN.

 

For me, it's time to do the math again on whether Venu + Peacock + Paramount+ would make more sense than YTTV. The combo is definitely cheaper, but YT's record/DVR features plus the convenience of having everything under one roof definitely has value. I was able to postpone the recent price increase by 6 months by pretending to cancel my subscription, but come June it's gonna cost $83/mo.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Wait. MASN is on YouTube tv?

[BSLMikeLowe]

MASN is on Fubo. YTTV has gradually moved away from carrying RSNs.

[CantonJester]

Sounds like they will still be separate services, so you'd presumably need Fubo for MASN.

 

For me, it's time to do the math again on whether Venu + Peacock + Paramount+ would make more sense than YTTV. The combo is definitely cheaper, but YT's record/DVR features plus the convenience of having everything under one roof definitely has value. I was able to postpone the recent price increase by 6 months by pretending to cancel my subscription, but come June it's gonna cost $83/mo.

 

Doesn't this make Venu a non-starter?

 

I'm hoping they bundle Fubo with ESPN+ and Disney then to get a better price. Or give me the option to a la carte MASN into Hulu Live. Can't imagine those details will be ironed out before Opening Day though. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

Doesn't this make Venu a non-starter?

 

Doesn't what make it a non-starter?

[CantonJester]

Doesn't what make it a non-starter?

 

Disney was the primary backer for Venu. They just bought Fubo, which is/was the only RSN game in town this side of DirecTV Stream. What's Disney's motivation to pour $ into Venu when they now have Fubo to build out whatever additional sports streaming avenues they wish?

[BSLMikeLowe]

Disney was the primary backer for Venu. They just bought Fubo, which is/was the only RSN game in town this side of DirecTV Stream. What's Disney's motivation to pour $ into Venu when they now have Fubo to build out whatever additional sports streaming avenues they wish?

 

My understanding is Disney has every intention of going forward with Venu. I would guess that if they were to back out now they would probably owe FOX and Warner Bros - Discovery some money. I'm guessing all three still see Venu as a strong potential revenue source, as it will be the most streamlined, sports-oriented service available anywhere.

 

Disney will own 70% of Fubo, but the service's current management team will still run it. My guess is Disney's move here is more about settling a potentially costly lawsuit, and perhaps more importantly avoiding antitrust scrutiny (for now) as it is about them viewing Fubo as a valuable asset.

[CantonJester]

My understanding is Disney has every intention of going forward with Venu. I would guess that if they were to back out now they would probably owe FOX and Warner Bros - Discovery some money. I'm guessing all three still see Venu as a strong potential revenue source, as it will be the most streamlined, sports-oriented service available anywhere.

 

Disney will own 70% of Fubo, but the service's current management team will still run it. My guess is Disney's move here is more about settling a potentially costly lawsuit, and perhaps more importantly avoiding antitrust scrutiny (for now) as it is about them viewing Fubo as a valuable asset.

 

I guess it makes sense at $43/mo for a sports-only bundle, but man...No RSNs? That renders it a non-starter for me. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

I guess it makes sense at $43/mo for a sports-only bundle, but man...No RSNs? That renders it a non-starter for me. 

 

The evidence seems to indicate there's a fair number of sports fans who are willing to live without their local RSN, which would explain why more and more services are dropping them. Factor in that the two most-watched sports in the country are NFL and college football, neither of whom air live games on RSNs, and it makes sense.

 

I was kind of straying off-topic when I pondered whether or not I'll switch services to Venu since I'm outside MASN territory anyway, and MLBTV.com is already my go-to for Orioles games.

[BaltBird 24]

Does the MASN app still never work? Would be nice if they had a reliable app to watch the games.