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[makoman]

I can’t say for sure, but feels like Wells would hold up better all year in the pen.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I'd worry about the physical and mostly mental differences between starting and relieving. Hate to take a starter, mold him into a reliever, then mold him back next spring to a starter. Maybe its no big deal. Just doesn't sound like something I'd wanna see.

[Mackus]

Awesome news. Rehab usually limited to 30 days; will be interesting to see when they officially start it. Team and player can agree to extend which may make sense in this case.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I don't want to start a bunch of replacement thoughts (but I will anyway) on these issues because I'm comfortable with them playing out a little While we know a lot externally (information), we don't have internal (like medicals). Recent Mike Elias comments say they are still expecting both to pitch meaningfully for the Orioles this year so that's good. We'll see.

FAs:
People talk about like like Montgomery and Snell (don't want Snell on the team) and there's guys like Lorenzen and Ryu....but they'll all likely not be options for different reasons.

If I was the agent for Zach Davies or Brad Keller, I'd be on the phone hours ago trying to put together a deal. Pending other info (Bradish related), it could be something like a split contract with a few more ML dollars on the roster with an opt out (like May 1) if he wants. These deals were more common in recent yers but (apparently) some of the rostering decisions have changed this (lower risk) approach for most teams.

On the trade front....there's actually lots of places to look.

2 for 1. The Angels have been connected to the higher end pitchers, but Tyler Anderson was bad for them in 2023. After a monster 2022 with the cross-town Dodgers, he's owed 13M this year (and next) and replacing him on the roster with a Snell or Montgomery could make sense for them. That's as easy as it gets if that's interesting. He's negative value so it only costs you cash (nice to think that's an option now)...but if you wanted to try a little more....Kremer is a CA guy and both him and Detmers are nearly identical in their performance/service profiles. While I like Kremer, I'd prefer the LHer for the Orioles. Even if the Angels prefer Detmers to Kremer, if you use Anderson as a carrot, that's probably in play.

Make Lemonade. The Washington Nationals would love to move Patrick Corbin. He may not be great (he was at one point) but he's taken the ball and logs innings. Like other players, if you believe you can find the most out of him, having another LHer in the Orioles rotation - with a good defense - could elevate his performance. He doesn't have to be great, getting anything close to League Average would be important. IF you were willing to take on some of the contract (injuries are a lemon, made some lemonade), there's certainly ways to leverage prospect value for the orioles. We can leave that discussion for later.

What's in the Cards. Steven Matz is another failed signing. If you think you like something about him....they'll use the kid they got from the Orioles last year and pay you half his contract to try him somewhere else.

Utterly wiling to wait until we see where these guys. Like our rotation a lot so totally good going with these guys if they're able, but if they aren't, there's no crying in Baseball....step up and figure out the next move. That's the job.

Went back through the Bradish thread to see everyones thoughts over time. Dude man. He truly is the gift that keeps on giving. The days he annoys me to no end with his incoherent takes I just need to go back and read some of the FA signings or trade proposals he puts forth. Good job on Detmers and Anderson for Kremer though. Oh, you mean that was the one that was unrealistic from the start. Well of course it was. Who in their right mind has ever thought Kremer was close to Detmers. And LAA needs someone to throw innings. They were just gonna throw in Anderson even if they thought he was washed. Showing this year hes not washed. Unlike Corbin, who dude has wanted for 3 years now and clearly is washed. Always brings the comic relief with the trade proposals and most FA signings. Thanks dude.

[dude]

Wouldn't it be interesting if Dr. Phil could talk to Wile E Coyote. 

 

He'd be like...."...what are you so obsessed with? You spend all of this money on rocket skates and balloons and stuff and stuff and stuff and you always fail.  You've never got him and you aren't going to get him....so why do you keep trying?  If you just spent the money you spent on stupid stuff, you could eat for years, but you have no shot at your goal but you just can't help yourself.  Why?"

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Just keep entertaining with the horrible roster management proposals. It doesnt make up for the incoherent slop you post but its some comedic relief.

[dude]

Still amazing to me that you are an adult.

[Pedro Cerrano]

“ Make Lemonade. The Washington Nationals would love to move Patrick Corbin. He may not be great (he was at one point) but he's taken the ball and logs innings. Like other players, if you believe you can find the most out of him, having another LHer in the Orioles rotation - with a good defense - could elevate his performance. He doesn't have to be great, getting anything close to League Average would be important. IF you were willing to take on some of the contract (injuries are a lemon, made some lemonade), there's certainly ways to leverage prospect value for the orioles. We can leave that discussion for later.”

This wasn’t a good idea

[TwentyThirtyFive]

“ Make Lemonade. The Washington Nationals would love to move Patrick Corbin. He may not be great (he was at one point) but he's taken the ball and logs innings. Like other players, if you believe you can find the most out of him, having another LHer in the Orioles rotation - with a good defense - could elevate his performance. He doesn't have to be great, getting anything close to League Average would be important. IF you were willing to take on some of the contract (injuries are a lemon, made some lemonade), there's certainly ways to leverage prospect value for the orioles. We can leave that discussion for later.”

This wasn’t a good idea

It was an even worse idea in years past when he wanted to take on that contract for multiple years. Just let dudes roster management proposals entertain you. Its a his one minor redeeming quality as a baseball poster here.

[dude]

This wasn’t a good idea

 

What if you used the need for a pitcher (injuries to Means and Bradish), the surplus of the Orioles and the desire for the Nationals to shed the contract to gather several prospects of the Nationals and get TB involved with those prospects to buy low on Shane McClanahan. 

 

The Orioles have been wildly successful turning poor results of players on other teams into better results in Baltimore.  I don't think Corbin is great or even good, but he threw 180 innings last year and if you just wanted to get some stability in the rotation, that's an option.  If there's energy in the transition to Baltimore, if they can tweak something, if pitching into a bigger LF shaves some ERA, then maybe he provides some value.

 

He's free if you want him to eat some innings (IF that was needed).

The contract allows you do do some other things IF you wanted.  If Shane McClanahan (a Baltimore kid) came back and replaced Burnes next year and new ownership was able to extend him, would that suddenly be a better idea?

 

We didn't know the details of the injuries to both Means and Bradish.  It's certainly possible that both would have been unavailable for the year which could have triggered discussions on other options.  That's what THIS was.  I'm good with the Orioles rotation. Don't need to discuss options if the prognosis was better than worse.

 

As I specifically said in what Wile E quoted, no issues waiting to see the results if the FO thinks/thought it wasn't season ending stuff.  Glad both Means and Bradish look like they'll be back shortly, hopefully they ramp up well. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

What if you used the need for a pitcher (injuries to Means and Bradish), the surplus of the Orioles and the desire for the Nationals to shed the contract to gather several prospects of the Nationals and get TB involved with those prospects to buy low on Shane McClanahan.

The Orioles have been wildly successful turning poor results of players on other teams into better results in Baltimore. I don't think Corbin is great or even good, but he threw 180 innings last year and if you just wanted to get some stability in the rotation, that's an option. If there's energy in the transition to Baltimore, if they can tweak something, if pitching into a bigger LF shaves some ERA, then maybe he provides some value.

He's free if you want him to eat some innings (IF that was needed).
The contract allows you do do some other things IF you wanted. If Shane McClanahan (a Baltimore kid) came back and replaced Burnes next year and new ownership was able to extend him, would that suddenly be a better idea?

We didn't know the details of the injuries to both Means and Bradish. It's certainly possible that both would have been unavailable for the year which could have triggered discussions on other options. That's what THIS was. I'm good with the Orioles rotation. Don't need to discuss options if the prognosis was better than worse.

As I specifically said in what Wile E quoted, no issues waiting to see the results if the FO thinks/thought it wasn't season ending stuff. Glad both Means and Bradish look like they'll be back shortly, hopefully they ramp up well.

See entertainmemt gold. Got a 3 team proposal in here too. Chefs kiss content. Rofl

[dude]

See entertainmemt gold. Got a 3 team proposal in here too. Chefs kiss content. Rofl

 

You're trying to mock it, but if Elias did something like that, you'd be all over it.

 

Appears Bradish and Means will be back shortly so that's good.  

 

Right now, they need to figure out the roster moves to make space.  Let's see if they do anything creative.

[Mackus]

Right now, they need to figure out the roster moves to make space. Let's see if they do anything creative.

Not much need to get too exotic. Ramirez DFA and Kimbrel to IL seems like an easy choice. Can get someone else up here for Kimbrel for a few days before needing Bradish/Means.

External additions would be great, but hard to find trading partners for late inning relief at this time of year. Even teams that are already out of it likely hold their guys until July to generate a bidding war.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Not much need to get too exotic. Ramirez DFA and Kimbrel to IL seems like an easy choice. Can get someone else up here for Kimbrel for a few days before needing Bradish/Means.

External additions would be great, but hard to find trading partners for late inning relief at this time of year. Even teams that are already out of it likely hold their guys until July to generate a bidding war.

Of course external additions are unrealistic. Well some waiver claims arent I guess but trades are. Not sure they do anything with Ramirez before tomorrow. They may. They should considering hes surely would go for Means or Bradish anyway. Get at least 1 fresh arm up here for Kimbrel. Hopefully a 2nd for Ramirez. Again, if youre not gonna use him against Oak then you arent gonna use him against NY unless the game is way out of hand. It will prob be Vespi for 1. Maybe Charles is the other.

[dude]

Make Lemonade. The Washington Nationals would love to move Patrick Corbin. He may not be great (he was at one point) but he's taken the ball and logs innings. Like other players, if you believe you can find the most out of him, having another LHer in the Orioles rotation - with a good defense - could elevate his performance. He doesn't have to be great, getting anything close to League Average would be important. IF you were willing to take on some of the contract (injuries are a lemon, made some lemonade), there's certainly ways to leverage prospect value for the orioles. We can leave that discussion for later.

 

This wasn’t a good idea

 

...and we're back.

 

In Patrick Corbin's last 9 starts (May-June), he's been a QS or borderline QS is 7 of them.  5-6 IP and 3 ER or less.  He got Oriole'd by the Mets and the Twins, but other than that he's been ok....and he's basically been an innings eater even when he's terrible.

 

My goal is not to have Patrick Corbin.  If you can find some value in Patrick Corbin when you need some reasonable innings (and we've seen external guys ramp up in Baltimore...+better defense....+bigger LF) then do something with that.

 

Like I said earlier, my goal would actually be to get Shane McClanahan.  Use Corbin to do that.  Again, Washington has to want to move anything they can with Corbin.  He's clearly underwater as a contract.  The Orioles could target Hunter Harvey in the deal and he's under control for next year.  He's been really good against everyone but Mountcastle and he wouldn't have to face him anymore here. The Nationals have a bunch of OF Prospects in their top 10-12, more than they can advance in the next couple years.

 

There's some combination of players that probably works.

 

BAL gets Corbin (+cash), Harvey, McClanahan

TB gets DC/OF, DC, BAL, BAL (whoever these guys are will likely be in their top 10 in 18 months, great)

DC gets Norby, Baker, whatever

 

I want to gamble on McClanahan.  He was one of the best pitchers in MLB, he's 27, LHed and an Oriole fan.  His agent isn't Boras so when we talk about finding quality players to invest money in, you buy low (acceptable risk) not chase success with future disappointment.  Shane isn't pitching this year (maybe he gets back on the mound late) so if you can use Patrick Corbin to help get him and he finds something in Baltimore, great.  If he implodes, you leveraged the money, go do something else and you still have Shane for next year. 

[dude]

Jordan Montgomery was a consideration that many wanted early in the year.  It's been crazy for him this year.  Nothing close to what he wanted (was promised) contractually, left Boras.  He's actually performing worse in 2024 in AZ than Patrick Corbin , if you can believe that.

 

NL is pretty bunched just below .500 so DBacks can still get into the Playoff scrum..  No idea if they'd like to move Montgomery and try something different, but you can certainly ask.

 

It's really buy low.  You wouldn't have to eat all of the money or give up much, you run him and if you like whatever, there's certainly a long-term deal to make.  Low risk to find out now. 

[Slidemaster]

Jordan Montgomery was a consideration that many wanted early in the year. It's been crazy for him this year. Nothing close to what he wanted (was promised) contractually, left Boras. He's actually performing worse in 2024 in AZ than Patrick Corbin , if you can believe that.

NL is pretty bunched just below .500 so DBacks can still get into the Playoff scrum.. No idea if they'd like to move Montgomery and try something different, but you can certainly ask.

It's really buy low. You wouldn't have to eat all of the money or give up much, you run him and if you like whatever, there's certainly a long-term deal to make. Low risk to find out now.

Sonny Gray and Ryan Helsley. Make that deal happen.

[dude]

2 for 1. The Angels have been connected to the higher end pitchers, but Tyler Anderson was bad for them in 2023.  After a monster 2022 with the cross-town Dodgers, he's owed 13M this year (and next) and replacing him on the roster with a Snell or Montgomery could make sense for them. That's as easy as it gets if that's interesting.  He's negative value so it only costs you cash (nice to think that's an option now)...but if you wanted to try a little more....Kremer is a CA guy and both him and Detmers are nearly identical in their performance/service profiles.  While I like Kremer, I'd prefer the LHer for the Orioles.  Even if the Angels prefer Detmers to Kremer, if you use Anderson as a carrot, that's probably in play.

 

Who knows what the Angels are doing at this point.  I watch theri games sometimes and they feel like such a disjointed team but the announcers are totally into them.

 

After a hot start, Detmers collapsed and got sent to the minors.  

Tyler Anderson was a disappointment last year, but pitching his butt off this year.

They're at the bottom of the AL again, Trout is hurt and they are going no-where.....again.

Their top prospects are all lower level guys and they seem intent on getting their 1st draft pick to the Majors as fast as they can which isn't really working out for them.

 

If they just want to save some money, they can be some one-stop shopping.  A little different than the original suggestion above but they also have a RHed OF bat like Pillar (discussed in the general thread) and Carlos Estevez is owed some money they could just shed.  Somebody would take him but he's Baumann with some closing experience.

 

Probably have to put something together given Anderson has been pitching well, but it's not the top guys.  They get something and it kind of depends on where they want their roster to go in 2025.

[dude]

Sonny Gray and Ryan Helsley. Make that deal happen.

 

I guess my question would be why you think they are available.  Cards are sitting in the second WC spot at .500.  They have a good team but generally haven't played well (except against us, I guess).

 

After a disastrous 2023, I'd guess the Cards try and add, not subtract.

[dude]

Robby Ray is another guy.  Discussed in the offseason before he was swapped in largely a money alignment deal to the Giants.  Made his 4th rehab start.  Should be back soon.  32.  Signed through 2026 at 25M per (not opting out of that).  Giants could certainly want him but maybe balance the cost risk   Nobody in the NL is out of it other than the Rox and Fish.