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[BSLZachEisner]

BSL: Ranking The 5 Most Valuable Orioles For the 2023 Season

https://baltimorespo...he-2023-season/

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Great writeup. Lots of discussion could be had around who should be 2-5 and the honorable mentions but I don't think there is much of a discussion about who should be #1. Gunnar is just a monster!

[BSLZachEisner]

Appreciate it Steve! And agreed, I personally think Cano, Hays and Santander are in a tier together, Bautista, Bradish and Adley are in a tier and then Gunnar is a tick or two ahead of them all in his own tier. I think a strong case can be made for each guy to be at the top of his respective tier.

[BSLRoseKatz]

Don't think this is a hot take but as long as Adley is a top five catcher in the league, he's a top 5 most valuable Oriole regardless of if he's top 5 in the team for WAR or whatever just because of the positional value  

[BSLChrisStoner]

Don't think this is a hot take but as long as Adley is a top five catcher in the league, he's a top 5 most valuable Oriole regardless of if he's top 5 in the team for WAR or whatever just because of the positional value  

When we get roboumps in the bigs, it will be interesting to see what that does to Adley's value. 

[makoman]

When we get roboumps in the bigs, it will be interesting to see what that does to Adley's value. 

He's still 85th percentile in blocks. He was 100 last year but I'm confident he's good. I'm not sure how many runs that means but it's something. 

 

He's also 81st %tile in pop time, 56 in CS. Last year 79 and 85. So that's something, still better than average in stopping steals. I'll guess he's above average as a C still, even without framing (which savant has him at 79 percentile, and isn't changing next year at least).

[mweb08]

When we get roboumps in the bigs, it will be interesting to see what that does to Adley's value. 

 

I know you're talking about defensive value, but wasn't there something on here recently and/or a broadcast about how Adley has been more screwed by bad calls as a batter than pretty much everyone else?

[JStruds]

Maybe O'Hearn should be in the honorable mention group. He's been stellar.

[Mackus]

Maybe O'Hearn should be in the honorable mention group. He's been stellar.

 

Yep.  Not quite Steve Pearce, but really started taking off when Mountcastle struggled and filled what could've been a very damaging hole.

[BobPhelan]

1. Gunnar

2. Bradish

3. Santander

4. Adley

5. Bautista

[makoman]

1. Gunnar

2. Bradish

3. Santander

4. Adley

5. Bautista

For whatever it's worth, not much, I was:

Gunnar

Adley

Bradish

Felix

Santander

 

I think that's the top 5 for everyone.

[makoman]

For whatever it's worth, not much, I was:

Gunnar

Adley

Bradish

Felix

Santander

 

I think that's the top 5 for everyone.

But Jesus, O'Hearn somehow almost has to be there one of these days.

[BobPhelan]

But Jesus, O'Hearn somehow almost has to be there one of these days.

6-10: Hays, Mullins, Mounty, O’Hearn, Cano in some order?

[makoman]

6-10: Hays, Mullins, Mounty, O’Hearn, Cano in some order?

Sounds reasonable, they've all been important. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Ill still debate Adley being #1. Like I feel like I can make a case. Bottom line is the drop off from him to his replacement should he go down is bigger than how they would cover Gunnar. He also is the captain. That said Ill respect the season Gunnar has had but I dont see a big difference in the two

Gunnar
Adley
Felix
Bradish


Then everyone else in some order but those 4 are the studs.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Ill still debate Adley being #1. Like I feel like I can make a case. Bottom line is the drop off from him to his replacement should he go down is bigger than how they would cover Gunnar. He also is the captain. That said Ill respect the season Gunnar has had but I dont see a big difference in the two

Gunnar
Adley
Felix
Bradish


Then everyone else in some order but those 4 are the studs.

just to argue....well because its fun. But Gunnar leads in WAR 4.5 to 4.0 over Adley and defensively I think Gunnar is playing a more important position. What Adley is good at so are a number of catchers. In the end its a GREAT debate to have. 

[BSLChrisStoner]

Balt Sun: Who could win Most Valuable Oriole? These 10 players deserve consideration.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Guys were talking tonight that they vote for 3 players. For me my ballot goes

1.Adley
2.Gunnar
3.Bradish



I suspect Gunnar will win the vote here and likely the actual team vote too but its a really tight race. Not only do I think Adley is the heart and soul and future Captain but when you look at fWAR and wRC+ he is right there with Gunnar in both. After tonight he might be slightly ahead. When you go to rWAR Gunnar has a big advantage. The big difference is the defense. Both are essentially the same offensively. Reference has Gunnar noticeably better defensively. Fangraphs has Adley a good bit better defensively. So it kind of comes down to how you weigh a lot of these things yourself.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Agree with all of this. Other than that I do think the voters recognize Adley’s super power, which isn’t in the box score. I do think he takes it. Going to be hard for him to get it in future years with Gunnar blasting 40+ bombs, so Adley gets this one.

[BobPhelan]

Those are the top 3, each has a great case.