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2023 NFL General Talk (KC Wins SB 58)


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#101 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 30 July 2023 - 09:09 AM

Of course you don’t. RBs are replaceable, stat producing robots to most people here.

I think the big deal is an owner actually chiming in like an idiot.

Unprompted, Irsay said RBs need to “pipe-down”, like an old man yelling at clouds. He’s not even entertaining the discussion of a new contract for his best player and one of the best in the league.

We know what the RB market is. For an owner to actually come out and say about guys like his best player, to pipe-down, that’s just shameful.


I like RBs better than most.  I'm not afraid or unwilling to take a RB in the 1st (I'd be way more willing to take a RB in the 1st, vs. giving a RB a 2nd contract).... but he has a contract.  
 

Play on the contract, or don't.  

If the Union wants to try and change the system, they have that right. 

Right now, the teams get the benefit of the initial rookie deals, and their teams are partly built knowing they have players / production at certain costs. 

Do I think Taylor can rebound this year, and having another great year like '21? Sure. 
Do I know Taylor is coming of a year where he played just 11 games? Yep. 

Taylor knows his shelf life is limited, and he's trying to maximize his career earnings. 
Get paid more this year, get some more guaranteed money. 

Don't blame him for that. 
Obviously also know that part of why he's feeling that, is because he played just 11 games last year, and realizes how quickly things can change. 

But that's not exactly Irsay's problem either. 
Irsay has him under contract, and he's not obligated to give him more. 

And Taylor's not obligated to play... he can stay home.  

Basically every player in the NFL is completely replaceable. Taylor certainly is. 
 



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Posted 30 July 2023 - 01:59 PM


Basically every player in the NFL is completely replaceable. Taylor certainly is.


Please tell me you mean RBs and not “every player”. Is Patrick Mahomes replaceable? Or is “basically” like everyone but him?

Also, please tell me you don’t mean replaceable in its most basic form, that anyone with a pulse can “replace” them.
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Posted 30 July 2023 - 02:23 PM

Please tell me you mean RBs and not “every player”. Is Patrick Mahomes replaceable? Or is “basically” like everyone but him?

Also, please tell me you don’t mean replaceable in its most basic form, that anyone with a pulse can “replace” them.

 

Outside of about 5-10 QB's, Aaron Donald, and a handful of others...  everyone is replaceable. 

That doesn't mean you can go from a Pro Bowl / All-Pro RB like Taylor, and replace him with a guy off the street and not have any noticeable drop...   and it doesn't mean that teams can easily get past numerous injuries....  just that generally any one individual player is replaceable...  and if not immediately, certainly within relatively short order (a year or two). 

 



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Posted 30 July 2023 - 02:35 PM

Outside of about 5-10 QB's, Aaron Donald, and a handful of others... everyone is replaceable.

That doesn't mean you can go from a Pro Bowl / All-Pro RB like Taylor, and replace him with a guy off the street and not have any noticeable drop... and it doesn't mean that teams can easily get past numerous injuries.... just that generally any one individual player is replaceable... and if not immediately, certainly within relatively short order (a year or two).


Eh I don’t agree with this. If this were true then we’d have 90% of the league go 9-7 or 7-9.

Either that or we are way undervaluing QBs…somehow.

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

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Posted 30 July 2023 - 02:36 PM

Like I posted earlier. I think we have jumped the shark on the “RBs are interchange” take.

My goodness Jonathan Taylor is an incredible athlete. Could the Colts move on from him and be ok? Maybe? Maybe not? But I think it’s shortsighted to say “move along we will find someone else” with a guy of his talent.

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

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#106 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 30 July 2023 - 02:50 PM

Like I posted earlier. I think we have jumped the shark on the “RBs are interchange” take.

 


I generally agree with this and I've argued it for years.   Particularly as defenses have gotten smaller and geared towards trying to stop passing games; Ive thought there was value in finding RBs and playing power ball....  again, no problem imo with taking a RB in the 1st... but I'm not real excited about 2nd contracts for RBs. 

 

As far as Taylor goes, again... he could easily rebound this year and have a huge year. 

 

But if the Colts don't want to give him an extension, or a raise... that's just how it goes.
And if Taylor doesn't want to play, that's his right.



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Posted 31 July 2023 - 07:07 AM

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Posted 31 July 2023 - 07:17 AM

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Posted 31 July 2023 - 08:31 AM

Lol. STFU and play, they said.

https://sports.yahoo...-002030626.html


Considering they took a QB at #4 who will likely be a work in progress, you'd think they'd want to lock up their best offensive player for at least a couple years to take off some of that pressure.  Or Irsay can be a moron and the Colts can win another 4 games.


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#110 Mike in STL

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Posted 31 July 2023 - 01:57 PM


Considering they took a QB at #4 who will likely be a work in progress, you'd think they'd want to lock up their best offensive player for at least a couple years to take off some of that pressure.  Or Irsay can be a moron and the Colts can win another 4 games.

A smart person would think that. Even if they didn't have a question mark at QB, they could look at Taylor and think they can get him a little cheaper on an extension now, coming off a season with injury. (Dobbins the same for that matter). '

 

I feel like its bad business to not even talk numbers, or entertain the idea with a player of his caliber. I feel like the Ravens are at least talking to Dobbins. Someone posted he was talking to Bisciotti at practice last week. Can't imagine it was about the heat wave, or their favorite TV shows. 

 

For Irsay to be like, the discussion isn't even happening, now pipe-down and get back to work... Yikes. Give your team MVP the time of day FFS. Even it means just getting his asking price and then saying we'll get back to you. At least have dialogue. 


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Posted 31 July 2023 - 02:05 PM

Zero harm in listening, talking. 

Not great for Irsay to say anything publicly. 

Nothing wrong if Irsay doesn't want to give him anything more. 



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Posted 02 August 2023 - 11:12 AM

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Posted 11 August 2023 - 04:22 PM

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Posted 12 August 2023 - 08:45 AM

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Posted 14 August 2023 - 09:12 AM

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Posted 17 August 2023 - 08:46 AM

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Posted 20 August 2023 - 12:36 PM

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Posted 21 August 2023 - 09:04 AM

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Posted 28 August 2023 - 10:24 AM

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Posted 28 August 2023 - 10:30 AM

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