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#41 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:12 PM

Changing out Roman would likely be a big mistake. 6th in total offense with all the games missed from players above and its obvious they had to make heavy tweaks to what they want to do because of some of those injuries. He also cant make Huntley, or Lamar for that matter, throw the ball to the wide open WR running a great route vs forcing it to Andrews when hes triple covered.

#42 Biggsy

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:14 PM

Changing out Roman would likely be a big mistake. 6th in total offense with all the games missed from platers above and its obvious they had to make heavy tweaks to what they want to do because of some of those injuries. He also cant make Huntley, or Lamar for that matter, throw the ball to the wide open WR running a great route vs forcing it to Andrews when hes triple covered.


That's fair. He can however develop better route concepts, vary his tendencies, and adjust better in game.

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:15 PM

I thought it was much more clear that the WRs and TE were both winning at the LOS and open a good bit this year. You have a pure passer playing with these players with some of these schemes I think we would have put up huge passing yards

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:19 PM


I thought it was much more clear that the WRs and TE were both winning at the LOS and open a good bit this year. You have a pure passer playing with these players with some of these schemes I think we would have put up huge passing yards

It plays a part in my hypothetical about Rodgers being here. I really believe we have enough playmakers to be a very good pass offense. I mean someone like Duvernay is 4th in line for targets behind Andrews, Brown, and Bateman and he made same damn good catches and ran some damn fine routes this year. Hell, I have no idea how good Proche can be as a WR. Dont think we have seen enough of him, but some believe he also is a fine WR.
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#45 Ricker Says

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:25 PM

That's fair. He can however develop better route concepts, vary his tendencies, and adjust better in game.

The things that would be absolutely needed to make a Super Bowl run.

Also for 2035, points win games, not yards. We see what happens when the field shrinks in the red zone, or when the offense has to go quick.
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#46 Mackus

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:31 PM

It plays a part in my hypothetical about Rodgers being here. I really believe we have enough playmakers to be a very good pass offense. I mean someone like Duvernay is 4th in line for targets behind Andrews, Brown, and Bateman and he made same damn good catches and ran some damn fine routes this year. Hell, I have no idea how good Proche can be as a WR. Dont think we have seen enough of him, but some believe he also is a fine WR.

 

Lamar was making all of those plays early in the season.  Theories abound for why he began struggling at the midway point, but I've got little doubt that next year he'll be able to hit those big plays again when they are there.  He was passing the ball at a really high level for the first third to half of the season.  More than just one or two good games or halves.


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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:39 PM

The things that would be absolutely needed to make a Super Bowl run.

Also for 2035, points win games, not yards. We see what happens when the field shrinks in the red zone, or when the offense has to go quick.

 

Ravens ranked 4th in Red Zone TD% in 2019, 15th in 2020, and were 13th this year (but T-3 through the Miami game and 10th before Lamar's season ended after Pittsburgh).

 

I don't know why "points per red zone trip" doesn't appear to be tracked anywhere.  That seems like the obvious thing to track on a season-long level.  How often do you get a TD or a FG or nothing.  Back out kneeldowns.  I hate it when the stats I want aren't easy to find like they should be.


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#48 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 03:41 PM

The things that would be absolutely needed to make a Super Bowl run.

Also for 2035, points win games, not yards. We see what happens when the field shrinks in the red zone, or when the offense has to go quick.

Redzone and 3rd downs were the bugaboo for this team this year. In contrast to last year where we werent a top tier offense by total yards but we were very efficient.

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 04:05 PM

Lamar was making all of those plays early in the season.  Theories abound for why he began struggling at the midway point, but I've got little doubt that next year he'll be able to hit those big plays again when they are there.  He was passing the ball at a really high level for the first third to half of the season.  More than just one or two good games or halves.

I still believe there was an undisclosed injury



#50 Slidemaster

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 04:22 PM

I still believe there was an undisclosed injury


The Twitter verse is speculating that he hurt himself on that flip into the end zone.

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 04:33 PM

The Twitter verse is speculating that he hurt himself on that flip into the end zone.

Then the next 3 weeks he was 75-111 for 1045 yards, 6 TD vs 1 Int. 111.9 rating. And that's not even including like 3 long TDs Brown dropped. Seems legit.



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Posted 11 January 2022 - 04:50 PM

Well the Twitter verse has spoken, so case closed... ;)

#53 Biggsy

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 05:13 PM

I still believe there was an undisclosed injury



Sometime around the Miami game, I remember him missing a lot of practices with back stiffness or soreness, or something like that. If he had any sort of disc or muscle issue in his back, that would certainly explain some things. Especially a lower back injury, like a lumbar herniation or pinched nerve.

He definitely didn't have his normal start/stop, and lateral agility he normally has.
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#54 Biggsy

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 05:16 PM

I thought it was much more clear that the WRs and TE were both winning at the LOS and open a good bit this year. You have a pure passer playing with these players with some of these schemes I think we would have put up huge passing yards



I'm not sure a less mobile option would fair well behind our offensive line this season. Rodgers is the exception with his mobility. But a great pure passer like Brady would have been killed behind our offensive line. That's an aspect of Lamar and Huntleys game that is being overlooked.

#55 Biggsy

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 05:40 PM

Also, I think the loss of Dobbins and Edwards killed our redzone and 3rd down efficiency a lot. The threat of those two makes defenses respect the run, even on 3rd and 4 or 5's, or on the goalline from the 4 or 5 yard line.

Where I'll give Roman credit is for sure his running scheme. He was able to make Freeman and Murray serviceable by the end of the season. If he has Dobbins and Edwards healthy next season, the offense should improve a lot, especially in the efficiency metrics.

#56 Slidemaster

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 05:42 PM

Then the next 3 weeks he was 75-111 for 1045 yards, 6 TD vs 1 Int. 111.9 rating. And that's not even including like 3 long TDs Brown dropped. Seems legit.


I mean, have you seen what some of these people convince themselves of?

#57 JStruds

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 05:57 PM

I still believe there was an undisclosed injury


A reasonable thought. Can't remember if he looked as quick as prior seasons before that bad landing on flip into end zone.

#58 bmore_ken

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 06:56 PM

A reasonable thought. Can't remember if he looked as quick as prior seasons before that bad landing on flip into end zone.

Yeah i mean I don't necessarily think it was the flip, but I still think something was going on with him physically.



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Posted 11 January 2022 - 07:06 PM

Could be long covid syndrome 



#60 Biggsy

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Posted 11 January 2022 - 07:57 PM

Could be long covid syndrome



I noticed he wasn't masked on the sidelines while he was out the 4 weeks, and no mention of fines for him, so I imagine that would mean he did in fact get vaccinated. Not sure if that would curb long covid symptoms or not.




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