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[makoman]

I didn't see him say anything about innings. I have long had the belief that something is fundamentally broken with the way they set pitchers up for the majors. Too much failure with too many great prospects to conclude otherwise.

Keegan Akin and Dean Kremer? I'm not sure that anyone important other than the Angeloses were even with the organization when Gausman was coming up, much less The Cavalry. You can't really put the Rick Peterson/Rick Adair disfunction on the current organization.  

 

Even if you want to look at the more recent past, Bundy and Harvey had freak injury problems, and Bundy was still somewhat a success. Gausman wasn't exactly a failure, he probably could have been better, though it took three orgs post-Baltimore to get this kind of success out of him. No other "great prospects" that I'm aware of.

[Mike B]

I didn't see him say anything about innings. I have long had the belief that something is fundamentally broken with the way they set pitchers up for the majors. Too much failure with too many great prospects to conclude otherwise.

My concern with the Orioles, at least with the new regime, is they want everyone pitch to their blueprint.  History has shown us there is more than one way for pitchers to be successful/  Time will soon tell us, if the new regime is going to be successful developing guys.  I do not think they should be judged yet.

[Mackus]

I agree with both arguments.

 

You can't really hold failures of prospects past against Elias and his development guys.

 

But you also can't really completely ignore the utter failure of the Orioles to develop pitching of any consequence over the past 5, 10, 20, 30, even 40+ years.  We talked about this earlier in the season, but we've got only a few pitchers of note that were developed here that became anything since Flanagan, Martinez, and McGregor.  It's not just the Angelos ownership nor just this ballpark that has been a constant for this problem.  It's pretty wild in how severe it's been.

[BobPhelan]

I didn't see him say anything about innings. I have long had the belief that something is fundamentally broken with the way they set pitchers up for the majors. Too much failure with too many great prospects to conclude otherwise.

Then you clearly have been avoiding the orioles section of the message board.

[dude]

I think you can get a veteran catcher, Marcus Semien, Matt Carpenter, Andrew Heaney, Eduardo Rodriguez, throw $10M at the bullpen and keep payroll just at $100M, maybe it takes it a tad over.

 

If we were going to get Semien, last off-season was the time.  I don't like chasing best season.  You had a chance to buy low and now you're buying way high.  Maybe the money doesn't matter, but it would feel frustrating soon enough.  I also think he's more 2B than SS at this point....saw him on the left-side a couple times and thought he struggled.  Could just be reps.

 

You've mentioned Carpenter before.  I don't understand your perspective on him.  You said "10M" at one point.  You can get him for basically nothing.  He's not a 3B.  He's 36 and terrible (O and D).  He'll hope for the NL DH and look for a modest guaranteed contract.  You can certainly get him.  I'm not sure why.  There was a point you could leverage his salary if you wanted to create something with STL, nothing now.

 

Also, everyone keeps talking about ERod.  He'll be offered a QO and I'd bet he accepts it.

[jamesdean]

It may take some doing but you might be able to convince Brooks Robinson and Boog Powell to come out of retirement.  

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Sign Eduardo Rodriguez and another decent SP for the rotation.

Sign either Carlos Correa or Corey Seager for SS.

Sign Eduardo Escobar or Kyle Seager for 3B.

Profit.

Would love to see Elias make a strong play for Correa. Otherwise another stopgap at SS. One with a glove. Simmons or Iglesias.

[bmore_ken]

Your suggestion was even more farfetched than the one you ridiculed.

Actually the post I ridiculed suggested the O's signing 7 free agents, while mine called for signing two. Try again. In any event neither mine nor his will happen, because the O's don't roll like that. We're likely in store for another 100 loss season.

[bmore_ken]

It may take some doing but you might be able to convince Brooks Robinson and Boog Powell to come out of retirement.  

Better plan than what we have going on now. Any chance Palmer is still in shape?  

[Nigel Tufnel]

Actually the post I ridiculed suggested the O's signing 7 free agents, while mine called for signing two. Try again. In any event neither mine nor his will happen, because the O's don't roll like that. We're likely in store for another 100 loss season.

 

It may just be that you don't understand how the quote function works, but it seemed to me that you were ridiculing a single free agent signing.  Again, apologies if it's just that the quote function is too complicated for you.

[jamesdean]

Better plan than what we have going on now. Any chance Palmer is still in shape?  

Knowing Jim, I'm sure he's still in pretty good shape.  He might get insulted, though, if Hyde tried to take him out in the 5th inning after only throwing 50 pitches. 

[bmore_ken]

It may just be that you don't understand how the quote function works, but it seemed to me that you were ridiculing a single free agent signing.  Again, apologies if it's just that the quote function is too complicated for you.

So in your world a proposal that a team that rarely signs impact free agents, signs seven free agents is the same as a proposal of them signing two? Ok Forrest.    

[dude]

So in your world a proposal that a team that rarely signs impact free agents, signs seven free agents is the same as a proposal of them signing two? Ok Forrest.    

 

You are trying to mock him, but everything in that post is wrong, misguided or contradictory.  There's like 7 issues there.  It's only actually 6, but apparently 6 = 7.