Photo

Jorge Mateo


  • Please log in to reply
164 replies to this topic

#1 BSLChrisStoner

BSLChrisStoner

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 148,578 posts

Posted 09 August 2021 - 07:29 AM

Balt SunOrioles reset: Jorge Mateo is the type of waiver claim the club’s rebuild has been waiting for



#2 Mike B

Mike B

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 34,526 posts
  • LocationTowson Md.

Posted 09 August 2021 - 08:18 AM

It is nice to see the Orioles add speed.  It also looks like Hyde has been given orders to play Martin and Mateo, which is fine unless you are Ramon Urias.


@mikeghg

#3 Nigel Tufnel

Nigel Tufnel

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,018 posts

Posted 09 August 2021 - 08:31 AM

Urias has a sore leg or something.  I think it's Franco who should be worried.


  • BSLBobPhelan, Mike B and makoman like this

#4 Mike B

Mike B

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 34,526 posts
  • LocationTowson Md.

Posted 09 August 2021 - 09:09 AM

Urias has a sore leg or something.  I think it's Franco who should be worried.

Thanks, I did not realize that.

 

Franco is on borrowed time, so I think maybe Urias plays third.


@mikeghg

#5 BSLChrisStoner

BSLChrisStoner

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 148,578 posts

Posted 13 August 2021 - 09:07 AM

MASN: Scout on Mateo: “He’s still young and he’s got a lot of tools”

https://www.masnspor...t-of-tools.html



#6 Mike B

Mike B

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 34,526 posts
  • LocationTowson Md.

Posted 13 August 2021 - 11:05 AM

There is a lot of energy on this guy.  His speed is certainly elite, but just from the little I have seen him, there are a lot of holes.  Hopefully, they can teach him.  First thing, is teach him how to take throws at second base.  He never seems to be in position.


@mikeghg

#7 BSLChrisStoner

BSLChrisStoner

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 148,578 posts

Posted 08 September 2021 - 07:43 AM

MASN: Former Orioles knew where Mateo belonged

https://www.masnspor...o-belonged.html



#8 TwentyThirtyFive

TwentyThirtyFive

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,238 posts

Posted 08 September 2021 - 09:31 AM

MASN: Former Orioles knew where Mateo belonged
https://www.masnspor...o-belonged.html

Interesting. Havent watched him play enough but I think he's earned a long look in '22. Good to hear he's so well liked. That can help more than some may realize

#9 BSLJordanKatz

BSLJordanKatz

    BSL Analyst

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,461 posts
  • LocationColumbia, MD

Posted 11 April 2022 - 08:17 AM

Screen-Shot-2022-04-11-at-9-11-32-AM.png

 

Obvious small sample size but if someone that fast can start getting on-base more, that's a pretty valuable piece of your lineup



#10 BSLChrisStoner

BSLChrisStoner

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 148,578 posts

Posted 14 May 2022 - 09:07 AM

Balt Sun: With subtle swing changes and a ‘five-tool’ skill set, Jorge Mateo has locked down the Orioles’ everyday shortstop role



#11 TwentyThirtyFive

TwentyThirtyFive

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,238 posts

Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:11 AM

If Mateo keeps going at this pace, both offensively and defensively, should he be penciled in as the starting SS in '23. On pace to be somewhere between a 2 and 4 WAR player depending on if you want to take fWAR or rWAR.

#12 You Play to Win the Game

You Play to Win the Game

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 57,234 posts
  • LocationMaryland

Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:14 AM

I’ll allow it.

“We have a shot at a wild card right now. But it is not a probability that we're going to win a wild card.” -2022 Trade Deadline

"It's liftoff from here" - after selling on 2022

"We're on a slight upward arc" - Winter Meetings 2022

"I think it's really hard to sit there and chart a course and say, 'We're likely to win the division.'" - Winter Meetings 2022

Mike Elias


#13 makoman

makoman

    MVP

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,661 posts

Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:20 AM

His defensive stats are phenomenal despite a lot of errors. Hope he can figure out how to hit a little more, even to like Urias levels. 



#14 Mackus

Mackus

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 55,497 posts

Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:26 AM

I don't think the defense will be good enough to support a 74 OPS+ (though you gotta give him a bump up from OPS+ to account for his baserunning). Feels more like a fluky stat thing that he's so highly rated so far this year. I see the flashy plays and good range, but the lazy errors really bug me.


Would be fine with Mateo versus a typical cheap vet, but I'd be very interested in a major FA upgrade like Correa or Bogaerts if they opt out or maybe Turner.

#15 glenn__davis

glenn__davis

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,038 posts

Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:30 AM

If Mateo keeps going at this pace, both offensively and defensively, should he be penciled in as the starting SS in '23. On pace to be somewhere between a 2 and 4 WAR player depending on if you want to take fWAR or rWAR.

 

You've got Gunnar having a monster season in Bowie.  Is Gunnar a SS though?  He thinks he is.  I suspect we'll find out next spring.



#16 BSLBobPhelan

BSLBobPhelan

    BSL Analyst

  • Moderators
  • 12,974 posts
  • LocationBel Air, MD

Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:33 AM

You've got Gunnar having a monster season in Bowie. Is Gunnar a SS though? He thinks he is. I suspect we'll find out next spring.


He looks like it this year, defense has improved almost as much as the bat.
  • makoman likes this

#17 BSLSteveBirrer

BSLSteveBirrer

    Soccer Analyst

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,962 posts
  • LocationMS and ID

Posted 02 June 2022 - 11:22 AM

What Mackus said is spot on. A competitive team needs better than Mateo.



#18 You Play to Win the Game

You Play to Win the Game

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 57,234 posts
  • LocationMaryland

Posted 02 June 2022 - 11:30 AM

I think 2035 and Mack are both right. He said “penciled in”. Not locked in or given a long term extension, etc. I do think he can be penciled in at this point, but I’d also be okay with upgrading. That said, his production at SS is more than adequate, there are other areas they can upgrade. In other words, I want some premium upgrades, but I’m not hell bent on that needing to be at SS.

“We have a shot at a wild card right now. But it is not a probability that we're going to win a wild card.” -2022 Trade Deadline

"It's liftoff from here" - after selling on 2022

"We're on a slight upward arc" - Winter Meetings 2022

"I think it's really hard to sit there and chart a course and say, 'We're likely to win the division.'" - Winter Meetings 2022

Mike Elias


#19 Old Man

Old Man

    MVP

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,579 posts

Posted 02 June 2022 - 11:37 AM

What Mackus said is spot on. A competitive team needs better than Mateo.

I agree.

 

Seams like Elias has a very small budget to work with, so its going to be rebuilding from the draft, and dumpster diving.

 

I have no problem with dumpster diving at all. DD made it work pretty well, but that wasnt the only way he filled out the roster.



#20 BSLSteveBirrer

BSLSteveBirrer

    Soccer Analyst

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,962 posts
  • LocationMS and ID

Posted 02 June 2022 - 11:45 AM

I agree.

 

Seams like Elias has a very small budget to work with, so its going to be rebuilding from the draft, and dumpster diving.

 

I have no problem with dumpster diving at all. DD made it work pretty well, but that wasnt the only way he filled out the roster.

Disagree but perhaps its semantics.

 

Dumpster Dan did well with that aspect of things. The fallacy IMO is thinking that you can build a truly competitive team doing just dumpster diving. Its great for filing out a roster but I do not think it gives the team what it needs to get over the top. DD did only dumpster diving.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users


Our Sponsors


 width=  width=